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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2010, 01:02:54 AM »
What is VOSS? I don't understand, I'm a old man.

It sounds great. Why would it make you cough? Maybe your taking to big of a hit. "puff, puff, pass" That's how we used to do it in the 60's.

Peace,Love, and we were wrong. I'm willing to admit to our mistakes and apologize to the next generation that we have burdened with our error's, Are you?

Free Market Capitalism without Big Government regulations will always provide the best product for the cheapest price, competition rather than mandates and regulations will always be best for everyone. You don't have to support any company you feel is polluting the planet.

If you think this is spam I can help you. Slice it thin, throw it in a frying pan with lots of Soy Sauce and Maple Syrup, Fry it up, and serve it for lunch.

After eating the spam, you will know, I'm not lying and only trying to help.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MONEY GRAB OR VOSS!

Be careful with VOSS, it might make you cough.

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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #46 on: December 30, 2010, 01:08:25 AM »
What is VOSS? I don't understand, I'm a old man.

It sounds great. Why would it make you cough? Maybe your taking to big of a hit. "puff, puff, pass" That's how we used to do it in the 60's.

Peace,Love, and we were wrong. I'm willing to admit to our mistakes and apologize to the next generation that we have burdened with our error's, Are you?

Free Market Capitalism without Big Government regulations will always provide the best product for the cheapest price, competition rather than mandates and regulations will always be best for everyone. You don't have to support any company you feel is polluting the planet.

If you think this is spam I can help you. Slice it thin, throw it in a frying pan with lots of Soy Sauce and Maple Syrup, Fry it up, and serve it for lunch.

After eating the spam, you will know, I'm not lying and only trying to help.

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MONEY GRAB OR VOSS!

Be careful with VOSS, it might make you cough.

spammed (I could still use some grant money)

VOSS was a con man who stole thousands from this community years ago. i was joking about it because you were asking for money from us...
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #47 on: December 30, 2010, 01:12:15 AM »
Thanks, was it Al Gore.

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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #48 on: December 30, 2010, 01:16:55 AM »
he faked making an online game and told his squad and others from the game that he needed money to invest in the computer hardware to create it. by the end of the con when he was discovered to be false he was up in the thousands/tens of thousands. iirc he was never caught for what he did.
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #49 on: December 30, 2010, 01:37:08 AM »
LOL,

Our governments are only out to line their pockets, It's time for us to stand up and vote them out. I really don't need anybody's money, I can fend for myself. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is all I expect.

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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #50 on: December 30, 2010, 02:07:16 AM »
Rebuttal:

Volcanoes cause about 5% of ozone layer damage, 15-20 is caused by other natural sources, the rest by us.  Most of the greenhouse gases emitted by volcanoes dissolve in water (rain) and do not get high enough into the atmosphere to damage the ozone layer.

Source: http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2005/05_07_28.html and http://www.epa.gov/ozone/science/myths/volcano.html

Response to the Ice Core controversy: The lag between CO2 emissions and temperature increase is about 800 years over a 5000 year time scale. CO2 is not considered to be the primary instigator of global warming, but there is evidence that it can accelerate the process.

Source: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/co2-in-ice-cores/

Conspiracy Theory that this is an attempt by person or persons to make money: Note that we live in a world where everything is now disposable, and that we replace items such as air conditioners and cars pretty often anyways.  Add to the fact that "green" products cost more and are thus harder to sell, plus all the money you have to dump into research to figure this stuff out, plus consumer resistance to change (for example, creating the idea of a conspiracy in order to justify not going green) and the possibility of making money out of global warming kind of goes out the window. Manufacturers generally prefer to maintain status quo rather than spend the money in R & D and run the risk of making themselves obsolete.

Conspiracy Theory that Scientists are behind it all: Environmental Scientists, Geologists, Meteorologists, and Climatologists all make around 50-75k a year.  They're not hurting, but they're not getting rich off of it either.  Physicists and Mathematicians (most of whom don't work on global warming) top out the scientific community at about 100k a year.  Having spent a lot of time with scientists my personal impression is that they are much more interested in finding answers than in making money.  If they were interested in making money they could easily turn their sharp minds to other endeavors that are much more lucrative.  Granted, there has been an increase in positions available for environment-oriented scientists, but there has been no major pay increase.  

The idea that so many scientists would support a false theory out of greed just doesn't ring true to me, especially when the process of research and publication requires a great deal of scrutiny and peer review.  Is it possible that the theory of global warming is wrong?  Certainly, and the scientist who proves it is wrong would probably win a ton of awards for his or her efforts.  Most scientists I know spend a great deal of time trying to shoot down other people's theories...it's pretty much in their job description.

After doing the research I've found enough counter-arguments to suggest that the current criticism against global warming hasn't conclusively disproven the theory. That doesn't mean global warming is true, but even if it wasn't, would it really be so bad if we figured out a way to not use gasoline and coal?



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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #51 on: December 30, 2010, 02:49:10 AM »
I would like to donate to charity but people who run these charities have a bigger car and than me  :joystick:
I fixed the old mans roof next door to me for nothing is that charity?
The UK government is very good at present so i have been told,
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #52 on: December 30, 2010, 07:47:58 AM »
muzzy......do a little research into what it costs(dirty wise) to build a "green" car. or anything "green". you may find that they aren't quite as green as you're lead to believe.
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #53 on: December 30, 2010, 08:35:43 AM »
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The idea that so many scientists would support a false theory out of greed just doesn't ring true to me, especially when the process of research and publication requires a great deal of scrutiny and peer review.  Is it possible that the theory of global warming is wrong?  Certainly, and the scientist who proves it is wrong would probably win a ton of awards for his or her efforts.  Most scientists I know spend a great deal of time trying to shoot down other people's theories...it's pretty much in their job description.
I don't believe they support it out of greed, just due to unwavering ideology. Also, MMGW needs to be proved CORRECT, not the other way around.
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #54 on: December 30, 2010, 09:07:24 AM »
muzzy
yes find alternatives but don't price the standards out of existence until you do.
If there was something more profitable than oil, don't you think the private sector would be all over it?
To subsidize alternative fuels with tax dollars, dollars no one has is ridiculous.
Global warming is not about climate change it is about power/control on a global level.
One of the first steps in the creation of this global community is knocking the US down a peg or two or three.
One of the first steps in that is devaluing the dollar....

IMHO "Global warming / Climate Change" isn't about weather or pollution at all...

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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #55 on: December 30, 2010, 11:52:14 AM »


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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #56 on: December 30, 2010, 12:36:33 PM »
I don't believe they support it out of greed, just due to unwavering ideology. Also, MMGW needs to be proved CORRECT, not the other way around.

Unwavering ideology has hindered scientific research before, however nobody here has yet attacked the research which supports the theory, other than by saying it's false.

I did a bit more digging:

Here's a website showing 8 arguments against global warming:  http://www.aproundtable.org/tps30info/globalwarmup.html

This site points to a petition signed by 31000 scientists against global warming here : http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p347.htm

Here's a site that did some digging on the petition: http://local-warming.blogspot.com/2008/05/31000-scientists-dont-believe-in-global.html

The site basically says that none of the petition signers actually work in the field of climatology, geology, or any field that would make them experts on the subject.  I googled a few of the names myself and got a couple of engineers, medical doctors and business management specialists.  I wouldn't trust a civil engineer to tell me what's wrong with my liver, nor would I trust an MD with zero hours stick time in AH2 to get DrBone off my six. These people may know as little or more as the next guy with access to the net and a couple hours to kill, but their opposition doesn't carry more weight than any other person with an amateur interest in the subject.

As far as ideology being more important than fact...here's an article showing the ongoing scientific debate regarding global warming:

http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?ID=3088&Method=Full&PageCall=&Title=Satellite%20Readings%20Confirm%20Warming&Cache=False

The article points out both the research findings on the subject in question as well as possible flaws in the research. If there were an active attempt to discredit evidence against global warming, then it stands to reason there would be more of an attempt to cover up the possible flaws.

The thing is, I've been told to do my research, and this is what I'm finding: for every argument against global warming there are counter-arguments that refute the accusations, and there seems to be more questions of credibility regarding those who oppose it than those who support it.  

Actually the most convincing argument against global warming is the fact that we only have 150 years of data to back it up and there may be factors other than human activity that are causing it. Personally, I doubt that we are heading for the environmental catastrophe that Gore & Co. have laid out, but I think there's enough solid evidence out there to be at least mindful of what we're chucking into the atmosphere.



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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #57 on: December 30, 2010, 12:38:41 PM »
Follow up: Yes I'm aware that a lot of the so-called green solutions we've come up with actually harm the environment more that help it. That doesn't mean we should stop trying to find solutions that do work.


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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #58 on: December 30, 2010, 12:41:07 PM »
Follow up: Yes I'm aware that a lot of the so-called green solutions we've come up with actually harm the environment more that help it. That doesn't mean we should stop trying to find solutions that do work.

WEll yes and no. the things we're doing now, we know doesn't work.

 a 65 chevy, or ford through its entire lifetime of being driven makes less crap than building and driving a single <insert green car of choice> .
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Re: Gobal warming or the next Ice Age?
« Reply #59 on: December 30, 2010, 12:43:24 PM »

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I blame the aliens.

you could be right.

the aliens are proporting this stuff, in hopes that we head for space. once we're in space(sensibly, not flying circles around the earth), they will make first contact.
 they will then sell us technology, and rights to colonize planets.

 excellent plan they have.  :noid :neener:
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