Brewster

[jolly22]

It most certainly does not out-turn a zeke and the rest of your points are equally invalid.

  nope, nothing can outturn my zeke 

[TinmanX]

nope, nothing can outturn my zeke 

Wrong. My Zeke out-turns your Zeke!

[LLv34_Snefens]

Before this nobody flew the Brewster much.

"Made some flight modeling changes affecting the stability of the Brewster." (v2.19)

After that I noticed an increase in Brewster usage.

Are you telling me that HTC had it nerfed so badly as to render it ineffective?

Or perhaps the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the other direction.

If it were ineffective before and thus effective now you could expect a dramatic increase in K/D after the change, as this is a pure fighter. Yet the LWMA K/D varies in the range 0.9 - 1.1 throughout the tours, with no clear tendency before or after. (Even dropping to 0.8 in Nov2010.) To say that nobody flew it much before, is also kind of a stretch. Not counting the "novelty"-tour after it's introduction (10000+) it usually had about 5000 combined kills and deaths. it's true that it rose a bit around May (over 9000), but for the tours 129 and 130 ( I can't access tour 131 yet) it averages about 6300. You see bigger variances with other plane types. Seems more like a case of increased use because of hyping.

Either way, Brew lovers like to say that they never messed with the flight model. Well there it is folks.

Who in here likes to, or even did, say that?

[mipoikel]

Brewsters K/D in this tour is 0.83. Uber? 

If brewster kills you, your SA sucks. 

[Jayhawk]

The brewster always catches up with my pony, especially when I'm parked on the runway.

[NOT]

If brewster kills you, your SA sucks. 

This is one of the truest statements regarding the modeling of the brewster that I have read so far.




NOT

[Melvin]

I've had discussions in game with Brew guys who claimed the model was never messed with. Even after presenting the quote from the version notes, some refused to believe it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care one way or the other. I think I died to a Brew 4-5 times in the last few tours. (Due to my own suckage.)

However, the fact that their was a change to the flight model begs some questions to be asked. Perhaps one of the Brew die-hards could come here and tell us all what, if any, differences the changes made.

The fact is that any plane in game can be beat with proper tactics. And if a Brewster is one's biggest headache, then one must not get out much.

Now back on topic. Let's discuss the Brewster's flight model changes please, for I feel that it might shed some light on the subject.

[bcadoo]

If it caught a K4 in a climb its because it had a ton of E and the K4 driver got sloppy and was counting on his climb ability to make up for sloppy flying.

[uptown]

It climbs and catches 109K4s, out turns Hurricanes+Zekes and catches up with P51D's+F4UD's.

Aces High Over modeled, discuss?

 

A C47 will do the same thing........... if ya let it.    


It's pretty much a Hurri with .50s <shrugs>

[SunBat]

This is one of the truest statements regarding the modeling of the brewster that I have read so far.




NOT

2010 has come and gone and I still can't figure out which way ur posts should be read.

[LLv34_Snefens]

The change was about yaw stability as I recall. If interested about what it precisely was about you can see if you can have a look on the matter here http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,270213.0.html. It was all done out in the open.

From the link:

Roll shouldn't be substantially different.  The things I changed were that I found that it didn't have enough dihedral, too much prop mass, and I increased the effect of the rear fuselage on directional stability.  Had to relearn combat trim of course.

Personally I couldn't tell much difference, but then I never flew the Brewster all that much myself.

[Yeager]

The Brew puts up a good fight in MW when flown smartly.  Easy to avoid, easy to get away from with any alt to burn, but if you can sucker the unwary or overzealous pilot into a turnfight then a kill can be made.

[AWwrgwy]

Still waiting for the answer to my question:  is the Brewster we have in game a field modified plane?

They were stripped down prior to sale, not "in the field."  I would consider a field mod more of a "one-off" any way.

Folks like to bring up the Boyington quote... as far as I recall he never flew the type. Can anybody confirm?


Just curious. Seen it brought up so many times in defense of the Brewster, and every time I think "and you flew it... where?"

I presented it merely as more anecdotal evidence, ala the "flying coffin".  I imagine if he flew it it may have been in training in the States.

How about this? Of the Brewsters at Midway, how many got shot down out of the total at the outset of the battle?

All but two of the Wildcats based on Midway were shot down at the same time as well.  Was it the plane or the 5+ to 1 odds they faced?


wrongway

[Melvin]

Snefens, I wasn't trying to imply that anything was done in any shady way, or less than "out in the open".

I was merely looking to find some answers regarding the changes to the Brewster's flight model. The link you've provided has the info I was looking for. Thanks for that.

Judging from some of the responses in that link it seems that the Brewster was always an effective little machine.

As far as I'm concerned this matter is closed. (I'll still HO shoot every one that I come across, given the opportunity )

<S> Melvin

[Raptor]

I have not been killed by a Brewster since it came out... except for when I fly an i-16