Flying the Ta152

[Plazus]

One of the toughest birds to make it turn. Avoid turnfights except your opponent is a p51, p47, Typhoon, mossie, or an other 190.

If you try to turn fight a Mossie in a Ta152, the Mossie will annihilate you if he has any concept of E management.

[JunkyII]

If you try to turn fight a Mossie in a Ta152, the Mossie will annihilate you if he has any concept of E management.

Mossie will actually hold its own against alot of birds....but its a huge target and thats what a tator bird likes

[fbWldcat]

Mossie will actually hold its own against alot of birds....but its a huge target and thats what a tator bird likes

Too bad it is wood and not metal.

[morfiend]

Too bad it is wood and not metal.

 Why????


 The wooden structure of the Mossie is 1 of it's best attributes,you obviously have not seen pictures of the Mossie that survived a 262 encounter. It took 3 or 4 30mm hits and still flew it's crew home.There's a few Canadian canoe builders that could explain why the wooden mossie was so good.


    

 edited for spelling and the canoe makers if an affectionate term used to describe the workers at DH.

[mbailey]

Moot was an animal in that thing. High,low fast or slow he could throw that thing around like you wouldn't believe

Agreed

Loved fighting Moot in his 152, the man flew it like he was wearing the thing.

Met up with him off a field once it was us and 4 or 5 red guys. I Fought one and splashed him, turned to go help moot and that was all i saw was him.... Asked him where the other Cons went and all i saw in the local chat buffer was----------->  : )

[Debrody]

If you try to turn fight a Mossie in a Ta152, the Mossie will annihilate you if he has any concept of E management.

Well, the mossie needs his flaps out to turn effectively, and is a brick without them. The Ta has a decent turn rate without flaps too and doesnt lose much with them. And almost the same turn radius with flaps. Im talking about the light 152 now, with fuel for about 12-15 minutes.

Btw i would love to meet one of those 152 experts who can control, handle that tailslide and make advantage from it. Im just turning it like a 109 G, and its still a pretty impressive bird.

[JunkyII]

Well, the mossie needs his flaps out to turn effectively, and is a brick without them. The Ta has a decent turn rate without flaps too and doesnt lose much with them. And almost the same turn radius with flaps. Im talking about the light 152 now, with fuel for about 12-15 minutes.

Btw i would love to meet one of those 152 experts who can control, handle that tailslide and make advantage from it. Im just turning it like a 109 G, and its still a pretty impressive bird.

Best time to get into it is while spiral climbing

[Plazus]

Well, the mossie needs his flaps out to turn effectively, and is a brick without them. The Ta has a decent turn rate without flaps too and doesnt lose much with them. And almost the same turn radius with flaps. Im talking about the light 152 now, with fuel for about 12-15 minutes.

Btw i would love to meet one of those 152 experts who can control, handle that tailslide and make advantage from it. Im just turning it like a 109 G, and its still a pretty impressive bird.

The Mossie will turn well at all speeds below 425 mph. The Ta152 stands no chance with slow speed maneuvering against the Mosquito. You can take a mossie, creep along at 100 mph indicated airspeed, flaps raised and not have much trouble turning. And using flaps just make stall speed handling that much better- especially since the flaps can let you hang on your props at 85 mph indicated. Try doing that with the Ta152. The mossie doesn't need any flaps in combat unless you intend to fight at stall speeds. Simply put, the Ta152 should not engage in a stall speed fight unless you don't mind dieing a lot, or just doing it for fun.

[Plazus]

I am by no means a Mosquito expert pilot, but I know how well it can handle in a fight. Too many people just don't fly it often enough, and too few are encountered and flown well in a fight. People naturally assume that it's useless in the air-to-air role because it's big and made of wood.

[JunkyII]

I am by no means a Mosquito expert pilot, but I know how well it can handle in a fight. Too many people just don't fly it often enough, and too few are encountered and flown well in a fight. People naturally assume that it's useless in the air-to-air role because it's big and made of wood.

Or because its roll rate is horrible......but thats why you don't roll in it

[kilo2]

The Mossie will turn well at all speeds below 425 mph. The Ta152 stands no chance with slow speed maneuvering against the Mosquito. You can take a mossie, creep along at 100 mph indicated airspeed, flaps raised and not have much trouble turning. And using flaps just make stall speed handling that much better- especially since the flaps can let you hang on your props at 85 mph indicated. Try doing that with the Ta152. The mossie doesn't need any flaps in combat unless you intend to fight at stall speeds. Simply put, the Ta152 should not engage in a stall speed fight unless you don't mind dieing a lot, or just doing it for fun.

You can stay in the air at 50mph in a 152

[JunkyII]

You can stay in the air at 50mph in a 152

shhhh you!!!!!!

[greens]

what is the TA152??    i dunno what and how to fly it.

greens

[fbWldcat]

 Why????


 The wooden structure of the Mossie is 1 of it's best attributes,you obviously have not seen pictures of the Mossie that survived a 262 encounter. It took 3 or 4 30mm hits and still flew it's crew home.There's a few Canadian canoe builders that could explain why the wooden mossie was so good.


     

 edited for spelling and the canoe makers if an affectionate term used to describe the workers at DH.

I have seen the mossie after a 262 encounter. I meant too bad for him, as flying against it with the Ta-152 would yield lesser results than if the Mossie were a metal bird.

[Plazus]

You can stay in the air at 50mph in a 152

Ran some tests in the Offline mode. With these tests, I attempted to determine how stable the aircraft is in a nose-high attitude at the slowest speed possible (hanging on the props). In both of these tests, I made sure to climb to 1,000 feet after takeoff, maintain course heading and altitude. Before takeoff, I loaded both the Ta152 and Mosquito Mk6 with 25% fuel, and light guns package. Spawning on the runway, I dropped to full flaps. Here are the numbers I took note of:

1. Mosquito Mk6 - the airplane can maintain an indicated airspeed of 75 mph while the controls are quite stable. Yawing is apparent when applying some small rudder. The aircraft can maintain a consistent heading throughout flight, as long as the pilot applies the right amount of controls. Nose attitude was roughly 15-20 degrees above the horizon.

2. Ta152 - the airplane can maintain an indicated airspeed of 87 mph with stable controls and course heading. I had attempted to apply a higher nose-up attitude to decrease airspeed, but unfortunately, due to CoG issues and wing loading and engine torque, the aircraft wants to yaw to the left and flip over. To give the Ta152 a better chance, I re-spawned a second time, emptied all the guns out, this time the plane can hold an airspeed of 83 mph with stable controls. Any lower speed will result in dangerous swaying motion, and a risk in crashing. Nose attitude was roughly 15-20 degrees above the horizon.

To add in some extra fun, after conducting both tests, I attempted a pure vertical split-s maneuver at 1,000 feet altitude at the slowest possible control speed of both planes. At 75 mph, the Mosquito Mk6 was able to complete the maneuver with roughly 30-50 feet to spare. The Ta152, on the other hand, failed to complete the maneuver. The aircraft needed an additional 250 feet of altitude in order to pull off the maneuver without crashing.

Regardless of whether I did a great job testing, the implications are still the same. The Mosquito Mk6 is simply more stable, accelerates faster, climbs faster, and turns sharper at slower speeds. Therefore, if you're in a Ta152, avoid pure turn 'n burn fighting against the Mosquito Mk6. Your best chances of winning is maintaining an energy advantage over the Mosquito, keeping your speed up, and using BnZ tactics to your advantage.