109K4 V Spit 14

[Yarbles]

You keep harping on the K4 for what reason?

If this a thread to unperk the 14 or to perk the K4?

I harp on aboput the K4 because I think the ENY on the K4 is too high at 20 and since the k4 is strong in the speed and climb stakes is too far appart in ENY game terms from the 14.  These planes are contemporaries and are about equal though different in the game. The 14 seems to be perked because it is called a spit but is in reality sufficiently unlike the other spits to be treated as a special case. It is not a spit 8 with a bigger engine but all the other Spit 8 advantages. If it handles as sweetly as the other Spits but was quicker it should be perked but it doesn't.

K4 ENY 15, Spit 9 unperked ENY 10 would be my best guess. 

[Anaxogoras]

Oh my god, I can't resist posting.

The Spit 14 has always been at the bottom of the list for kills/perk every tour.  It has little family resemblance to its little brother, the XVI, lacking its roll rate, its turn rate and radius, and its easy handling qualities.

But this is what you'll get when what is perked is left to subjective judgment, and not based on some kind of objective study of aircraft performance and characteristics.  Even a flawed attempt at the latter would be more rational than what is in place today.

[Ruah]

so what do you think m8, do you think th 14 would make a good ENY 5 plane - or keep it perkd as it is.

Subjective expeeinces aside.

[Anaxogoras]

Unperk it.  Try 5 ENY, notice that the sky hasn't fallen, and then try 8 or 10.

[pervert]

Yeah unperk it...its a hairdresser's plane anyways 

[grizz441]

I harp on aboput the K4 because I think the ENY on the K4 is too high at 20 and since the k4 is strong in the speed and climb stakes is too far appart in ENY game terms from the 14.  These planes are contemporaries and are about equal though different in the game. The 14 seems to be perked because it is called a spit but is in reality sufficiently unlike the other spits to be treated as a special case. It is not a spit 8 with a bigger engine but all the other Spit 8 advantages. If it handles as sweetly as the other Spits but was quicker it should be perked but it doesn't.

K4 ENY 15, Spit 9 unperked ENY 10 would be my best guess. 

When making an ENY case, you should never compare a plane to another and justify that comparison for changing ENY.  You should compare each plane in its own right to the entire plane set and its MA unbalancing factors, all things considered.  So, look at all things entailing the K4 objectively and determine its appropriate eny.  Then look at the Spit14 and determine its Eny.  Do not say, "Since Spit14 is Eny5 and K4 is similar to Spit14, then k4 should be ___.  That's not correct since the Spit14's eny value may not be correct.

All that being said, I have flown the spit14, evaluated it, and I think it should be Eny5 no perk.  It is no better than the Spit16 and probably slightly worse all things considered.  As for the K4, should probably be 15 Eny.

[Lusche]

As for the K4, should probably be 15 Eny.

For a long time G-14 and K-4 had the same ENY value of 20. I was very surprised when the G-14's ENY was increased to 25 instead the K-4's being lowered to 15.

[Changeup]

When making an ENY case, you should never compare a plane to another and justify that comparison for changing ENY.  You should compare each plane in its own right to the entire plane set and its MA unbalancing factors, all things considered.  So, look at all things entailing the K4 objectively and determine its appropriate eny.  Then look at the Spit14 and determine its Eny.  Do not say, "Since Spit14 is Eny5 and K4 is similar to Spit14, then k4 should be ___.  That's not correct since the Spit14's eny value may not be correct.

All that being said, I have flown the spit14, evaluated it, and I think it should be Eny5 no perk.  It is no better than the Spit16 and probably slightly worse all things considered.  As for the K4, should probably be 15 Eny.

I agree on the former but disagree on the latter.  You are a K4 experten.  I have tried and tried and tried to fly that aircraft...to me, its an ENY 35.  Not because of its true effectiveness, but because its allows me to stay alive as long as an ENY 35 a/c...which is not long.   All of you K4 folks have spent the time, effort and probably done some homework outside of the game to understand how to fly that bird effectively and been willing to die a lot in the process.  Its easy mode to you guys whereas the rest of us fly it and wonder HTF you guys do it.  Lastly the tater...ohhhhh, the tater.  Firing the weapon accurately on that platform makes the ENY good as-is.  Flying it is one thing...shooting with it is something else entirely...hats off to all the K4 guys...seriously.... because for me it is for crap.

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[Slash27]

Flying it is one thing...shooting with it is something else entirelyChangeup

Shooting is the kicker in it for sure. All 109's are easy to fly.

And unperk the 14

[Saurdaukar]

I harp on aboput the K4 because...

Then start a new thread.  You're not achieving X by addressing Y.  The two are unrelated in as far as your objective is concerned.

[Ardy123]

I think all this harping on the K4, trying to nerf its convergence or make it perked is due to some people recently getting shot down by them....

Don't worry, at this rate, soon people will be pushing for perking the f4f wildcat....

[Zoney]

I agree on the former but disagree on the latter.  You are a K4 experten.  I have tried and tried and tried to fly that aircraft...to me, its an ENY 35.  Not because of its true effectiveness, but because its allows me to stay alive as long as an ENY 35 a/c...which is not long.   All of you K4 folks have spent the time, effort and probably done some homework outside of the game to understand how to fly that bird effectively and been willing to die a lot in the process.  Its easy mode to you guys whereas the rest of us fly it and wonder HTF you guys do it.  Lastly the tater...ohhhhh, the tater.  Firing the weapon accurately on that platform makes the ENY good as-is.  Flying it is one thing...shooting with it is something else entirely...hats off to all the K4 guys...seriously.... because for me it is for crap.

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Hehe.  I love that K4, shes sweet and does most everything I ask of her, and it's fast enough to get me home when the cannons are gone.  It's funny the way it does not work for you because it's the P51 that I suck in.  Everyone is better in it than I.  2 week newbs are better in it than me.  Conversly I have no problems killing em, but getting kills in them?  Nope, not gunna happen.

[JOACH1M]

the XVI, lacking its roll rate

rolls better at slow speed better then most planes, at about 180mph it's better then spit16

[Mirage]

I think the 190A-5's ENY should be 30 and not 25 

[JOACH1M]

I think the 190A-5's ENY should be 30 and not 25 

O god, ENY fight! P47's should be 40perks