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Offline Mirage

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Elefant
« on: January 06, 2011, 10:20:01 PM »
I searched it and alot of the threads were over a year old so I figured why not, for k/d ratios it was by far the best tank destroyer of the war with more being lost to technical problems then to enemy tanks, I think that if it got added to AH it would have a lower perk then the tiger due to it being glacially slow with no turret and only average side and rear armor, it would also be a massive target

Feel free to say what you think about adding the elefant to the game
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 10:21:28 PM »
I'd do my homework and then give your report to the class, so-to-speak. I'm willing to research this, but others may not be so forgiving.
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 10:24:31 PM »
So it is basically a Panzer with a bigger gun? I don't see why not, but I don't see why, either. Perhaps for a Tiger gun without the high perk cost?
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 10:27:00 PM »
There will be lots of info to come tomorrow I am opperating on an iPod touch right now as I am in the us helping my parents out with their company :)
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 10:29:12 PM »
Quote from: fbWldcat on January 06, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
So it is basically a Panzer with a bigger gun? I don't see why not, but I don't see why, either. Perhaps for a Tiger gun without the high perk cost?
I'd say it's more of a tiger with a better gun an much thicker front armor but less challenging to destroy because of the lack of a turret :)
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 11:17:42 PM »
There are a ton of reasons why all you see is pictures of knocked out Elefants.  I'd suggest doing some digging on your own on that one.
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 11:19:22 PM »
Quote from: Guppy35 on January 06, 2011, 11:17:42 PM
There are a ton of reasons why all you see is pictures of knocked out Elefants.  I'd suggest doing some digging on your own on that one.

You ruin the fun sometimes!   :devil    But yes, they were a failed vehicle.
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 11:20:39 PM »
Well as long as they don't add napalm the Elefant will be a fine tank/tank destroyer but what killed them and ruined the war for the Elefant was, 1 No mobility the thing drove 15 mph for goodness sakes, 2 it had no pintle gun so troops could burn the poor thing, 3 it was VERY vulnerable to rounds on the top of the turret. It would be a great add for defending against a gv attack but anything else and it wouldn't perform to well.
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2011, 11:36:07 PM »
Quote from: dirt911 on January 06, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
Well as long as they don't add napalm the Elefant will be a fine tank/tank destroyer but what killed them and ruined the war for the Elefant was, 1 No mobility the thing drove 15 mph for goodness sakes, 2 it had no pintle gun so troops could burn the poor thing, 3 it was VERY vulnerable to rounds on the top of the turret. It would be a great add for defending against a gv attack but anything else and it wouldn't perform to well.

That is half of what a tank does.

1. Protect the base 50%
2. Attack another base 50%
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Quote from: Shuffler on April 07, 2011, 10:37:33 AM
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2011, 11:52:10 PM »
Quote from: dirt911 on January 06, 2011, 11:20:39 PM
Well as long as they don't add napalm the Elefant will be a fine tank/tank destroyer but what killed them and ruined the war for the Elefant was, 1 No mobility the thing drove 15 mph for goodness sakes, 2 it had no pintle gun so troops could burn the poor thing, 3 it was VERY vulnerable to rounds on the top of the turret. It would be a great add for defending against a gv attack but anything else and it wouldn't perform to well.
The Elefant as far as I can recal off the top of my head had a hull my was added to the Elefant as well as zimmerit anti magnetic mine past applied to it and after the fiasco they had on the ostfront (Ferdinand) the Elefant was moved to Italy ( where it would have had better success had it been able to cross Italian bridges which weren't able to support the machines 70 ton weight)
I apologize for the mistakes that my overview on the Elefant as I am just going off of what I can remember off the top of my head
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2011, 11:54:31 PM »
Quote from: fbWldcat on January 06, 2011, 11:36:07 PM
That is half of what a tank does.

1. Protect the base 50%
2. Attack another base 50%
you know a tiger was much better defending than assaulting correct?
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2011, 12:26:51 AM »
Yes, but it could do both.
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Quote from: Shuffler on April 07, 2011, 10:37:33 AM
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2011, 03:30:05 AM »
Some quick wiki stats
Frontal armor thickness 200mm
Maximum road speed 19mph
Business end 1 8.8cm PaK 43/2 gun + 1 mg34 in the hull
Weight 70 tons

Again would be a good defensive weapon in AH due to the lack of reliability issues which were the elefants main adversarys
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2011, 04:15:01 AM »
Quote from: Mirage on January 07, 2011, 03:30:05 AM
Again would be a good defensive weapon in AH due to the lack of reliability issues which were the elefants main adversarys
this is true here :aok all mechanical reliability issues in AH are nil. The IL-2's 37mm was actually much more unreliable than in AH, P38s had engine issues above 20k-25k feet, etc.
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Re: Elefant
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2011, 04:34:39 AM »
Exactly also like the BMW 801 engines rear row cooling problems  the Elefant could bring a new level to the tactical deployment of vehicles in ah with the elephants taking the attack head on with panzer IVH's and panthers covering the flanks
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