Elefant

[dirt911]

I ment at kursk again, I have said that it is not the best and has its short comings, thats why I think it should be added, because we dont need another german super tank,
and 911, did you even read that post, I said infantry was its main threat, and the Elefant addressed the ferdinands problems but adding Zimmerit and a hull MG34

<------------------Feels like an idiot.

[Mirage]

no reason too, everyone makes mistakes sometimes 

[Masherbrum]

I ment at kursk again, I have said that it is not the best and has its short comings, thats why I think it should be added, because we dont need another german super tank,
and 911, did you even read that post, I said infantry was its main threat, and the Elefant addressed the ferdinands problems but adding Zimmerit and a hull MG34

The Germans were embarrassed at Kursk.   Light Duty Transmission and 30+ Ton vehicles are not ideal combinations.   From the Tiger, Panther, Tiger II on up.   The Elefant had MANY shortcomings.

[321BAR]

tell me what the jagdpanther could do that the elefant couldnt?
tell me what the jagdtiger could do that the elefant couldnt?
does the jagdpanther have a kill to death ratio of 10:1, during the battle of kursk Ferdinands killed 320 soviet tanks for loosing 13 Ferdinands,  no other tank could beat it, it was infantry and mechanical problems  that were its main enemy
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read up on the battle and youll see why this K/D happened. The elefant is crap

[Masherbrum]

read up on the battle and youll see why this K/D happened. The elefant is crap

+1

[Ack-Ack]

read up on the battle and youll see why this K/D happened. The elefant is crap

I wouldn't call it crap, it was good in a static defense role as an armored pill box.  It just sucked when used as in the assault role.

ack-ack

[Mirage]

thank you ack ack
and no one has still answerd what a jagdtiger and a jagdpanther could do better then an elefant?
you fail to realise that the tank destroyers you guys posted were used in the ideal conditions that the elefant was suited for, defence, the elefant was used as an offensive weapon, because at the time, germany was on the offensive, put an elefant in the same position jagdtigers and jagdpanthers for defence of the reich rather then in italy and russia and I would argue that your outlook on it would be very different

[Masherbrum]

thank you ack ack
and no one has still answerd what a jagdtiger and a jagdpanther could do better then an elefant?
you fail to realise that the tank destroyers you guys posted were used in the ideal conditions that the elefant was suited for, defence, the elefant was used as an offensive weapon, because at the time, germany was on the offensive, put an elefant in the same position jagdtigers and jagdpanthers for defence of the reich rather then in italy and russia and I would argue that your outlook on it would be very different

I suggest you read the reference book "Battle of Kursk" by David Glantz, for starters. 

[321BAR]

I wouldn't call it crap, it was good in a static defense role as an armored pill box.  It just sucked when used as in the assault role.

ack-ack

or in any role that was not as an armored pill box...

[Ack-Ack]

thank you ack ack
and no one has still answerd what a jagdtiger and a jagdpanther could do better then an elefant?

Cross a bridge without making it collapse.   


ack-ack

[Mirage]

okay, now how was the jagdtiger better

[phatzo]

it could move around a bit, the JagdPanther was quite a good mover.

[321BAR]

okay, now how was the jagdtiger better

compared to a massive 19mph box of too much steel for too small of a transmission which would sink into anything that was even touched by rain... well yeah you can figure out why

rather the jagdpanther like phatzo

[dirt911]

okay, now how was the jagdtiger better

Consider it like this what happens when a M4 drives around in deep/slick sand

[M0nkey_Man]

say yes to the Elefant, my T-34 needs some target practice