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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2011, 08:25:53 AM »
Paxton may be able to pull off Jackson... Will require some intensity. Jackson was a genuine screwball in many respects, especially away from combat.

Kix Brooks does resemble Hancock, but can he generate the dynamic and powerful presence that Hancock brought to command? We'll see...

I like Paul Giamatti, but Longstreet was another commanding presence on the field. We will see the full measure of Giamatti's talent if he can pull it off.

I think that Will Patton was a great choice to play Lee. Especially when compared to short, fat Charlie Sheen's Quaalude-like portrayal of Lee in Gettysburg.

I'm looking forward to seeing the result.

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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2011, 09:30:37 AM »
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fat Charlie Sheen's Quaalude-like portrayal of Lee in Gettysburg.

I laughed out loud at that one.

I think Duval did a MUCH better job in Gods/Generals, particularly in the first half of the film.


I can't really disagree with anything in the last few posts, but I think everyone should give Bill Paxton a chance, I think he has it in him.
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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2011, 09:36:57 AM »
I honestly think Jeff Daniels captured  Chamberlains character perfectly. He was absolutely superb in the roll. Wouldn't mind seeing him in this production. I think another actor is going to have some big shoes to fill to top his portrayal

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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2011, 11:11:10 AM »
Especially when compared to short, fat Charlie Sheen's Quaalude-like portrayal of Lee in Gettysburg.


Don't you mean Martin Sheen?
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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2011, 12:56:06 PM »
Don't you mean Martin Sheen?

One and the same. I don't like either of one of them
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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2011, 05:01:31 PM »
That line in Gods and Generals with Robert Duval gave me chills. And the statement he made is the reason why sympathise with the Confederate position.

"I never thought I would see the day where a president of the united states, would raise an army to subdue his own people. No sir, I cannot lead it.... I WILL NOT lead it"

And when a squad of Union soldiers asked a bedraggled Confederate prisoner looking upon them with contempt. "You have no slaves, and no land. What are you fighting for?" he replied "Because you are down here and not up there"

Got to love Ken Burns documentary.
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2011, 07:07:50 PM »
That line in Gods and Generals with Robert Duval gave me chills. And the statement he made is the reason why sympathise with the Confederate position.

"I never thought I would see the day where a president of the united states, would raise an army to subdue his own people. No sir, I cannot lead it.... I WILL NOT lead it"

And when a squad of Union soldiers asked a bedraggled Confederate prisoner looking upon them with contempt. "You have no slaves, and no land. What are you fighting for?" he replied "Because you are down here and not up there"

Got to love Ken Burns documentary.
Yet, we have been taught for decades that 650,000 boys died over slavery
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« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2011, 07:26:10 PM »
Just remember, its the ones that win the war that write the history books.
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« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2011, 07:27:54 PM »
heLLOOO....it was the 'War of Northern Aggression'

Hey there, do you know anything about Bleeding Kansas. 
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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2011, 08:21:50 PM »
Hey there, do you know anything about Bleeding Kansas. 
Eh...I grew up in Manassas,  I think the only field trip we DIDNT have was to Gettysburg
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 09:09:06 PM »
Eh...I grew up in Manassas,  I think the only field trip we DIDNT have was to Gettysburg

Kansas was the ember that sparked the civil war, 3 months after, they declare as a free slave state.  Bleeding Kansas is was a war with Kansas (anti-slave) and Missouri board ruffians (pro-slavery) from 1854-1860.  This event is where John Brown is from.  Bleeding Kansas was over shadow in history books do to the main war. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2011, 09:17:42 PM »
Don't you mean Martin Sheen?

Yes, I did mean Martin... Charlie isn't short or fat... Just insane.
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« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2011, 08:45:56 AM »
Just remember, its the ones that win the war that write the history books.

Oh, here's my favorite account of this, and this was precisely how I was taught in school:

1492, CE, Columbus discovers the Americas (Which is hardly true, Amerigo Vespucci did)

1607, CE, 1st American colony established

1620, CE, Puritans establish Plymouth colony, first Thanksgiving held with (oddly) full support of the Indians

1733, CE, 13th American colony established

1776, CE, United States declares independance

1812-1815 CE, War of 1812

1861-1865, American Civil War

1917-1918, United States fights in World War I

1941-1945, United States fights in Pacific Theatre

1944-1945, United States fights in European Theatre

What happened during the 108 years between Columbus and the Puritans?  What happened between 1607 and 1733 in the colonies?  Firstly, there were the explorations of the Americas by other Europeans.  Nextly, there was the complete and brutal domination, removal or oblideration of the Native American tribes- and don't give me and baloney about "manifest destiny" we had no right to that land. 

Furthermore, the United States enjoyed a rather comfortable establishment with England, but economic mismanagent ended a rather strong bond between the two.  Between the revolution and civil war, the government was far from idillic.  Corruption was rampant, and George Washington was nearly talked into becoming a military dictator. 

This trend continued until around the turn of the 20th century, as the government began to settle down.  The US did not win World War I, rather, it delivered an even then paltry 250,000 troops to the front.  Stranger still, even when the United States crushed Japan, students are only taught about either Midway or Pearl Harbor.  Iwo Jima, Tarawa et al.  are simply skipped.  However, when the United States helped defeat the equally brutal Germany, teachers extoll the landings and bocage fighting as 'heroic' and 'brave'.  The United States only entered the European Theatre for only 10 months, June 1944 to April 1945, and although the fighting was brutal, it was nothing compared to what the Soviet Union had to do.  In analogy, we seemed "stronger" just as a sprinter is faster than an marathon runner, but the sprinter need only run a few hundred meters before collapsing. 

In reality, we merely stole the coup de grace from the USSR, and claimed it as our own.  Germany was already crumbling under the pressure from East and West, and needed but a few months to tumble down.  The D-Day landings took less than a few days, the battle of the Kessel lasted months. 

It's strange the way we teach the student body about history, it is far less US centric, and involved much nastier methods from all parties.

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« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2011, 08:50:06 AM »


In reality, we merely stole the coup de grace from the USSR, and claimed it as our own.  Germany was already crumbling under the pressure from East and West, and needed but a few months to tumble down.  The D-Day landings took less than a few days, the battle of the Kessel lasted months. 


Yea, and we defiantly want to crack that egg don't we?
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« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2011, 08:51:51 AM »
Yea, and we defiantly want to crack that egg don't we?

I'm sorry, but you've lost me there.  :headscratch:

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