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Offline Dichotomy

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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2011, 08:51:01 AM »
As a designer I resemble that remark sir!!  :old:
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2011, 09:32:04 AM »
you've missed the point.

 what was wrong with the way bypass hoses have been for 50 years? they worked perfectly. why change? it's not as if it increased the efficiency, or made it easier to service.
You honestly think that it's over engenered? I think it's as primitive as it gets.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2011, 09:32:45 AM »
I believe he means poorly engineered.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2011, 10:19:41 AM »
I believe he means poorly engineered.
Something is poorly engineered in POS Ford Taurus, wow, amazing.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2011, 10:43:50 AM »
Something is poorly engineered in POS Ford Taurus, wow, amazing.

taurus's were crap in the 80's, till about 93 or 94 or so. then ford got it right. they had decent engines(although the 3.0L DOHC is a pain in the nuts to work on), finally overcame the transmission problems they had, and they were dependable cars.

 i've got a 95 with the 3.8L(junk compared to the 3.0L) with 153k on the clock. she cruises at 80mph easily, gets to that speed nicely, and averages 30mpg. comfortable to drive, comfortable back seat, handles very nicely.

 there's nothing wrong with the later taurus's.....'cept that dam heater hose assembly. and primitive or advanced doesn't matter. what matters is function. the old style thermostat housing with the bypass hose built into it that's worked flawlessly for decades was simpler, easier(read that cheaper for the customer) to service, never went bad(unlike this design. i should note that the dealer had it in stock. when a dealer stocks something, that generally means it's a common failure.)

 so we're back to this. this design did not improve functionality. it did not improve service costs for the customer. it did not change anything for the better. so what purpose other than to raise the customers cost does this thing really serve?

 oh yea.......bigrat was right....it DOES help allow more sediment to settle into the heater core......i flushed this one before i put that mess back on the car.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2011, 03:11:04 PM »
A lot of cars have lost their essence of simplicity. The new Holden Commodore (which was once considered if you had a pair of pointy nose pliers and a coat hanger you could fix anything.) has now been fitted with a touch screen in the dash which controls all sorts of stuff. If this screen fails, as it will, its going to cost bucketloads for an expert (1st year apprentice with a shifting spanner.) to fix it so you can play the radio and turn on your airconditioning. This will be the downfall of automobiles because its just going to be to expensive to maintain them. I'm looking at about a five year life span for a lot of new vehicles.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2011, 03:23:06 PM »
A lot of cars have lost their essence of simplicity. The new Holden Commodore (which was once considered if you had a pair of pointy nose pliers and a coat hanger you could fix anything.) has now been fitted with a touch screen in the dash which controls all sorts of stuff. If this screen fails, as it will, its going to cost bucketloads for an expert (1st year apprentice with a shifting spanner.) to fix it so you can play the radio and turn on your airconditioning. This will be the downfall of automobiles because its just going to be to expensive to maintain them. I'm looking at about a five year life span for a lot of new vehicles.

ya know? i find myself agreeing with that. especially if you look at the fact it's hard to get parts oftentimes for a 9 year old car.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 03:40:13 PM »
I see what they were going for, but it could have been done much, much simpler.  A simple 'H' tube would have sufficed and would be cheaper to implement.  However, the entire design concept is problematic.

Coolant will take the path of least resistance, which is the crossover tube.  Back pressure from that flow is all that is available to push coolant through the heater core.  Just as others have said, it will promote heater core clogging.

It is just a bad design.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2011, 04:04:17 PM »


Because it was funner to make those shapes in a CAD program than something simple and boring?

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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2011, 05:27:13 PM »
taurus's were crap in the 80's, till about 93 or 94 or so. then ford got it right. they had decent engines(although the 3.0L DOHC is a pain in the nuts to work on), finally overcame the transmission problems they had, and they were dependable cars.


I have a 93 Taurus and I really like it
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2011, 05:30:10 PM »
If it were my own personal design choice and the bypass was desired to promote faster warm-up I'd use a simple valve connected to the thermostat or that is independently heat-tripped.  Full open all times to either the bypass or to the exchanger.....  hell why circulate the fluid at all during that warm up?  Why not just let it sit for a few seconds varying on an initial tempurature reading from the thermostate after briefly starting circulation at engine start (this way the water pump gets diagnosed at startup as functioning or not too).  I know those new Tauruses gotta have a module hooked up to the thermostat and water pump already.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2011, 07:54:46 PM »
what was wrong with having a hose from the radiator go to the core, and the exit to the water pump....wait....that's backwards....waterpump in then out from the core to the rad.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2011, 08:15:50 PM »
Its the same reason its always been. Just ask yourself where car manufacturers make the money.
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2011, 08:24:46 PM »
Its the same reason its always been. Just ask yourself where car manufacturers make the money.

what's financing got to do with this?
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Re: could one of you engineering types
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2011, 08:39:17 PM »
I see what they were going for, but it could have been done much, much simpler.  A simple 'H' tube would have sufficed and would be cheaper to implement.  However, the entire design concept is problematic.

Coolant will take the path of least resistance, which is the crossover tube.  Back pressure from that flow is all that is available to push coolant through the heater core.  Just as others have said, it will promote heater core clogging.

It is just a bad design.
Heater core clogs because of engine block corrosion, design has nothing to do with it. Poor quality metal with corrosive coolant leads to electrolysis-induced heater core clogging.  Others just wrong:)
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