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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2011, 05:48:44 AM »
Mathematically, it is nearly impossible that we are alone in an endless universe. There is no question about intelligent life existing elsewhere in the infinite number of galaxies. The question is simply where does intelligent life exist. We should search all planets, not just ones similar to Earth. It's possible aliens drink radioactive waste on a planet where the normal temperature is 400 degrees Celsius. Food for thought...  :salute


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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2011, 12:13:04 PM »
Mathematically, it is nearly impossible that we are alone in an endless universe. There is no question about intelligent life existing elsewhere in the infinite number of galaxies. The question is simply where does intelligent life exist. We should search all planets, not just ones similar to Earth. It's possible aliens drink radioactive waste on a planet where the normal temperature is 400 degrees Celsius. Food for thought...  :salute


Intresting thought, we do have life forms that can tolerate extremes as this and survive.  
I think the idea was to find the perfect setup or most probable, but that is a good point not to overlook some other extremes.

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2011, 12:22:03 PM »
How earth became as we know it

Golgafrincham is a red semi-desert planet that is home of the Great Circling Poets of Arium and a species of particularly inspiring lichen. Its people decided it was time to rid themselves of an entire useless third of their population, and so the descendants of the Circling Poets concocted a story that their planet would shortly be destroyed in a great catastrophe. (It was apparently under threat from a "mutant star goat"). The useless third of the population (consisting of hairdressers, tired TV producers, insurance salesmen, personnel officers, security guards, management consultants, telephone sanitisers and the like) were packed into the B-Ark, one of three giant Ark spaceships, and told that everyone else would follow shortly in the other two. The other two thirds of the population, of course, did not follow and "led full, rich and happy lives until they were all suddenly wiped out by a virulent disease contracted from a dirty telephone".

The B-Ark was programmed to crash-land on a suitably remote planet on one of the outer spiral arms of the galaxy, which happened to be Earth, and the Golgafrinchan rejects gradually mingled with and usurped the native cavemen, becoming the ancestors of humanity and thereby altering the course of the great experiment to find the question for the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, or so Ford Prefect presumes. A lot of them didn't make it through the winter three years prior to Arthur Dent's reunion with Ford Prefect, and the few who remained in the spring said they needed a holiday and set out on a raft. History says they must have survived
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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2011, 12:37:58 PM »
How earth became as we know it........................... .............

............................. ..History says they must have survived


I know you guys have had alot of snow up there, but you have to get outside more, change the air filters too....   :uhoh

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2011, 01:41:43 PM »
Why man? Its totally far out in here  :D

Its a cut and paste from "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" book. Great read BTW :)

Speaking of ice and snow, forcast for .37" of ice and 7 for snow, while just a little west they are forcast for 15" of the white stuff. As the look of things the ice could very possible be all freezing rain
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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2011, 05:19:11 PM »
Your making the assumption that "they" want to, or have tried to contact us.   Also your whole premise about communication and travel at or near light speed is pointless.  Even with our puny beginning of understanding of stuff like quantum entanglement, we are beginning to see that faster then light communication is possible.  Faster then light travel can't be far behind, whether it's wormholes or extra-dimensional or whatever.

There could be civilizations out there (in our galaxy) that have millions of years of advancement on us.  Why would they want to contact us, we are like babes in the woods, we have nothing to offer such an advanced society.  Perhaps they know we exist and are happy to let us find our own way, then if we survive and evolve past our present stage of humanity, maybe then they will contact us, or maybe not.   Like the "prime directive" from Star Trek, yes.. a cheesy show, put that principle seems realistic to me.  



sci-fi eh? ;)

you talk about "we are beginning to see that faster then light communication is possible", this is pur nonsense, where is this info from?
one word, Einstein, ..nothing is faster the light, nothing. And physics never changed the last few years.
Read some books from Brian greene (theoretical physicist and one of the best-known string theorists around).
Nobody have seen a wormhole, theoreticaly it maybe exisist at a black hole, maybe!
So to build one of those things ( we still dont know if this really is possible) we need alot matter,
a few of our suns, if possible a few more, crop this all into a black hole, and jump into it (what you are calling wormhole)
and see what happen or where you exit ;)

sorry but pur nonsense.

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2011, 05:25:22 PM »
the speed of thought is faster then the speed of light.....and once this age is over we will be able to move at the speed of thought. Then we will know if anything else is out there.  Long before that happens we humans are gonna destroy this earth by fire....

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2011, 05:31:27 PM »
Are we really alone? a ridiculus question.

the real question is, are we really alone in our galaxy, and it looks like, yes.
our galaxie is aprox 100 000 lightyears wide, so the light from the widest star
in our galaxie hit us the last 100 000 years and still no no contact.... _(strange)

a wise man once said, a species (any kind) have to survive at leat 200 000 years
to get (maybe) in contact with another life form.

it still didnt happend, because its to early for us humans, we need a minimum of additional 100 000 years.

plenty of room...BUT if we get a signal from such an OLD galaxie (you talking about), and we respond today,
it would took us another 13.2 bill. lightyears until our signal hit them, and if they send
a signal back it would take another 13.2 bill. lightyears until it reaches us back....
theoretically, but that time our signal hit the distant galaxie back, they would allready not exsist  :D

anyway, so it would take us aprox 26.4 bill. lightyears to get an answere.
you see its just ridiculus ;)

WE will never know, maybe in between the next 100 000 years inside our galaxie,
and even then to get an echo, we need another 200 000 years ;)

and all this is is done with the speed of photons (light)
but moving real humans around in the galaxie would cost us much much much more time  :D





you never know...

there could be another colony in our galaxy, thats more advanced than us in some ways, but less advanced in other ways.

like, there way of living is MUCH more advanced, but there military power isent. therefore they could be cloaking themselves, simply not wanting to be known in fear that if they are discovered they would be killed off for there land.
i wouldnt blame them for thinking this anyways, they have plenty of evidence to see here on earth of it. all those ufos we see? maybe its them checking on us, making sure that we dont know of them yet. making sure we're not building giant space battleships to come invade them with.

crop circles? maybe thats a warning in there language to other forms of life in the galaxy to stay away from us, we're a deadly race that feeds off destruction, and there warning others to stay away from earth because of this.
just look how we've ravaged earth? no other planet could ever want us on it. we've pretty much destroyed earth. i dont feel 2012 will be the end of world. i believe it will be the end of mankind, the year that planet earth finally gets tired of putting up with our crap, and eradicates us to save herself. sure, ALL human life will be killed, but if you think about it, you cant blame mother earth for making it happen. its pretty much humanity dies, or the Earth does. and the Earth is much more important than we are.

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2011, 06:09:23 PM »
you never know...

there could be another colony in our galaxy, thats more advanced than us in some ways, but less advanced in other ways.

no, not with the knowledge today,

from measurements of the Cosmic Microwave Background, the whole Universe is aprox 13,7 bill. years old.
Observations of the first generation of stars in our Milky Way that formed soon after the end of "Dark Ages"
this was aprox 13,2 bill. years ago.
Our SOlar System is aprox 4,6 bill. years old.
the earth is aprox 4.55 bill. years old
and we humans exist aprox 160.000-250000 years.
what does all means?

to build us (humans) in our galaxy it took aprox 4.6 bill. years,
so in other words, the ET's out there in our Galaxy should be at the same
level what we are now, nothing was build earlier (maybe in other galaxys)
but they are way to far away anyway to get an signal in our life-time.

Since at least 1900, our first radio signals have traveled a distance of 129 light years.
Since our galaxy measures about 100,000 light years across, these signals have traveled
only about 1/1,000th the width of the Milky Way.
That would mean there are maybe 30 to 100 stars that would have picked up our Radio signals noise by now.
And remember, those stars, needs planets where life can exist, and allready build radios...

like i said, we need another 100000 years to get sure if we are alone.
We are the first, at the beginning, like maybe others in our galaxy.

otherwise we should allready made contact.
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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2011, 06:15:37 PM »
sci-fi eh? ;)

you talk about "we are beginning to see that faster then light communication is possible", this is pur nonsense, where is this info from?
one word, Einstein, ..nothing is faster the light, nothing. And physics never changed the last few years.


So... you're saying that in the 50+ years since Einstein's work we have learned nothing new about physics and quantum mechanics????  Sorry Einstein was great but he was not the end all and be all of physics.

You're saying this stuff is impossible just because "WE" haven't figured it out yet, but seriously, with civilizations possibly millions of years more advanced then us, you don't think "THEY" have figured out a bit more about how the universe works then us.


Yes... faster then light communication is possible, read up on quantum entanglement.   :aok

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #40 on: January 30, 2011, 06:21:24 PM »
u cant send informations through "quantum entanglement"
You are talking about the EPR paradox that was described by.. eh Albert Einstein ;)

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2011, 06:24:07 PM »
no, not with the knowledge today,

from measurements of the Cosmic Microwave Background, the whole Universe is aprox 13,7 bill. years old.
Observations of the first generation of stars in our Milky Way that formed soon after the end of "Dark Ages"
this was aprox 13,2 bill. years ago.
Our SOlar System is aprox 4,6 bill. years old.
the earth is aprox 4.55 bill. years old
and we humans exist aprox 160.000-250000 years.
what does all means?

to build us (humans) in our galaxy it took aprox 4.6 bill. years,
so in other words, the ET's out there in our Galaxy should be at the same
level what we are now, nothing was build earlier (maybe in other galaxys)
but they are way to far away anyway to get an signal in our life-time.

Since at least 1900, our first radio signals have traveled a distance of 129 light years.
Since our galaxy measures about 100,000 light years across, these signals have traveled
only about 1/1,000th the width of the Milky Way.
That would mean there are maybe 30 to 100 stars that would have picked up our Radio signals noise by now.
And remember, those stars, needs planets where life can exist, and allready build radios...

like i said, we need another 100000 years to get sure if we are alone.
We are the first, at the beginning, like maybe others in our galaxy.

otherwise we should allready made contact.

thats assuming whatever out there is HUMAN. what if its not?science has been proven wrong many times. we have found signs of other organisms in our galaxy (we have found some on saturns/jupiters moons).

plus, maybe we HAVE discovered another colony in our galaxy, but the military is keeping a tight lid on it. i could believe this. it would coenside with the goverments "they dont excist" policy.
you never know, its all mystery.

but i never 100% believe science, some things are just better left kept a mystery.

to quote one of my favorite movies (jurrasic park)

"what you call discovery, i call rape of the natural world".

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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2011, 06:29:31 PM »
Tyrannis, why so complicated?

think simple, everyone like to know if they are alone,
why would other species think different?
of course, if they are bacteries they first have to build up larger,
before asking this question ;)
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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2011, 06:31:58 PM »
the speed of thought is faster then the speed of light.....and once this age is over we will be able to move at the speed of thought. Then we will know if anything else is out there.  Long before that happens we humans are gonna destroy this earth by fire....

Yup

Are you familiar with Michio Kaku's whole type 0,1,2,3 civilizations.    Basically we are type 0, in the next thousand years or less, we will either make it to type 1, or we will destroy ourselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdILmgJGuvw

I think he's right on.



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Re: Are we really alone? Life beyond the stars.....
« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2011, 06:35:13 PM »
Tyrannis, why so complicated?

think simple, everyone like to know if they are alone,
why would other species think different?
of course, if they are bacteries they first have to build up larger,
before asking this question ;)

im just saying my opinion, but i'll raise you one last question.

what if, they have allready made contact with our leaders? and pleaded with them to keep there existance secret to the rest of the world? could be why theres so much coverup. just a thought.  :headscratch: