flight SIM!

[olds442]

can we make this game like it would be in ww2 like with not just pressing E to start your engine and having to set ur fuel mix to rich and priming your engine and then sarting

[AWwrgwy]

why?

Would that be fun?  Or tedious?

It's a game.


wrongway

[DeadStik]

I agree. It's a game. We already have "auto-takeoff." I've argued on the side of realism before, but the bottom line is that it's a simulation, not realism. We could debate all sorts of non-realistic issues in the game all day... I.E:

• Multi-Engine aircraft have the ability to start all engines at once. Extremely absurd in the case of the quad-engine bombers.
• When you decrease RPM in the high numbers, manifold pressure remains unaffected.
• We can fly through friendly targets without taking damage.

Implementing certain things destroy game play. I like realism too, but there's a limit!

[Anaxogoras]

olds442, I'm with ya, but prepare to see a lot of negative responses.

Hint: there are other flight sims that offer the kind of engine management of you're looking for.

[AWwrgwy]

Have I mentioned I spend too much time on these boards?

Adding what you ask on the grounds of making it more challenging is a false argument. You seem to miss the fact that everyone plays by the same rules. The real challenge is not flying the airplane but rather out flying your opponent. So adding what you ask would not make it more challenging, because the goal of killing some one does not become any more difficult or easy because your opponent has to deal with all the same items. So in the end what you ask for detracts from the fun part (fighting) and puts more emphasis on plane knowledge and cockpit management.

2nd in many cases what you ask for becomes less realistic when it comes to cockpit management. With most computer setups  the easy of flying is far more difficult than flying the real thing in almost all regions of flight. So you are asking to make cockpit management much more difficult than flying the real thing.

3rd it would make it much more difficult for a new person to experience is first fight.

Finally as I have said before, you really are just asking to have to remember to push a few more keys on the keyboard. AH is about flying & fighting, not about having to remember a check list.

HiTech

wrongway

[phatzo]

olds442, I'm with ya, but prepare to see a lot of negative responses.

Hint: there are other flight sims that offer the kind of engine management of you're looking for.

yep if thats what you want IL-2 has it all but its not for everyone, I personally dont like it because I'm here to play a game but if you want all the engine management thats the place for you.

[321BAR]

Have I mentioned I spend too much time on these boards?



wrongway

i've got more posts than you and in half the time and you say YOU spend too much time?

I was thinking of the same quote. good find. <S>

[olds442]

Have I mentioned I spend too much time on these boards?



wrongway

well i get it (but i want to press the fuel mixtrue lever in the cockpit  

[MachFly]

well i get it (but i want to press the fuel mixtrue lever in the cockpit  

You realize you will have to adjust you mixture every time you change your altitude, and yes if your really busy dogfighting and you will still have to do that or your engine will work like crap.


You can always get your self a second throttle (not connected to anything) and push it all the time as if it was your mixture 

[SectorNine50]

You realize you will have to adjust you mixture every time you change your altitude, and yes if your really busy dogfighting and you will still have to do that or your engine will work like crap.


You can always get your self a second throttle (not connected to anything) and push it all the time as if it was your mixture 

Didn't late-war aircraft have automatic mixture control?  I remember seeing "auto-rich" and "auto-lean" settings in the P-51 cockpit.

[MachFly]

Didn't late-war aircraft have automatic mixture control?  I remember seeing "auto-rich" and "auto-lean" settings in the P-51 cockpit.

As far as I know 190 was the only aircraft that had auto mixture. Perhaps it was a post war mod?
Most airplanes these days don't even have auto mixture. The ones that do are really nice  .

[Anaxogoras]

As far as I know 190 was the only aircraft that had auto mixture. Perhaps it was a post war mod?

I've never had to adjust the mixture on the P-51D in Il-2 sturmovik, and the same goes for a lot of late-war American aircraft.  None of the Bf 109E-Ks had mixture controls, either, but many aircraft did have manual mixture controls.  I don't find it to be too much of a pain because it's very obvious when you need to adjust it, and there's no aircraft-specific knowledge you need to do it right.

The control that actually makes you know your aircraft is the manual blower.  For example, the F4F has 3 stages, and if you don't know the right altitudes for them, you'll have a hard time escaping from an A6M when you need to.

Another one that affects combat performance a lot is cooling systems.  Opening radiators and cowl flaps causes drag, and the slower you're going, the more you need to open them.  Some aircraft had automatic radiator controls, but someone who knows his aircraft can get more from it with manual control.  This was tested to death by P-51D pilots in Il-2 Sturmovik, and they found that the fastest sustainable settings were 95% throttle, 95% prop pitch, and the radiator closed.  You can run like that indefinitely and you'll be damn fast; just don't get slow in a turn fight.

[MachFly]

I've never had to adjust the mixture on the P-51D in Il-2 sturmovik, and the same goes for a lot of late-war American aircraft.  None of the Bf 109E-Ks had mixture controls, either, but many aircraft did have manual mixture controls.  I don't find it to be too much of a pain because it's very obvious when you need to adjust it, and there's no aircraft-specific knowledge you need to do it right.

The control that actually makes you know your aircraft is the manual blower.  For example, the F4F has 3 stages, and if you don't know the right altitudes for them, you'll have a hard time escaping from an A6M when you need to.

Another one that affects combat performance a lot is cooling systems.  Opening radiators and cowl flaps causes drag, and the slower you're going, the more you need to open them.  Some aircraft had automatic radiator controls, but someone who knows his aircraft can get more from it with manual control.  This was tested to death by P-51D pilots in Il-2 Sturmovik, and they found that the fastest sustainable settings were 95% throttle, 95% prop pitch, and the radiator closed.  You can run like that indefinitely and you'll be damn fast; just don't get slow in a turn fight.

I'm almost 100% sure that 190 was the only aircraft. However I never flew the real pony of 109 so I can't say for a fact. If you want I can send you the operation manual for a P-51 so you can take a look, I'll be busy the next few days and wont have time to read it myself.

[SectorNine50]

I'm almost 100% sure that 190 was the only aircraft. However I never flew the real pony of 109 so I can't say for a fact. If you want I can send you the operation manual for a P-51 so you can take a look, I'll be busy the next few days and wont have time to read it myself.

I recall someone calling the P-51 mixture system "semi-automatic."  I assume this means you still have to set rich or lean, but it takes care of the little changes.

Perhaps the 190 was the only aircraft with a "full-auto" mixture control system.

[minke]

How about an option for engine management through the clipboard? Slight performance increase if you select it and take the time to master it. Along the lines of removing the stall limiter. Just a thought.