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Offline Masherbrum

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Re: Mods
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2011, 01:48:38 PM »
TC gets where I'm coming from.
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Re: Mods
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2011, 01:53:42 PM »
least that is how it is looking by all these different mods  threads popping up on these boards more and more frequently these days...

...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :)  Granted, an increase of infinity percent over 0, but still, hardly a deluge.

I think a lot of people who are feeling oppressed when they're getting muted and other people aren't might feel a lot better if the way the mod process works was outlined a bit more clearly?

If I'm not mistaken, the basic gist of it is, you can get automuted with no human intervention whatsoever if you type one of the words on the list, right?  Then there's the mass .report that can get you muted, which just requires a bunch of players to .report you within a certain timeframe, right?  Beyond that, there's actually the mod player who notices you showing your backside on the public channels and mutes you.

It seems to me fairly likely that many of the 'unfair' mutings have been automatic mutes for typing one of the forbidden words or mass .reports.  The speed with which those who have been 'wronged' seem to mention seems to indicate to me that it's more than likely the automated system in a lot of cases.

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Re: Mods
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2011, 01:58:14 PM »
Wiley, these ppl can't handle logic. Why do you try?
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Re: Mods
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2011, 02:01:41 PM »
38.7% of the annoying traffic on 200 is peopel trying police the other 61.3%..

Kind of like here on the boards.
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Re: Mods
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2011, 02:04:05 PM »
After reading replies I agree with most, maybe I should have said

"If you're gonna mute 1 person for trading jabs on 200" then how about muting ALL involved with said jabbing, as they all are complicit in the continued antagonizing !



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Re: Mods
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2011, 02:05:36 PM »
...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :)  Wiley.

well... I been here for a few years.... I quit wearing a watch and keeping up with days or dates except the extreme important ones.....

 my "these days" covers the last 3 or 4 years verses the first 7 to 8 or even 9  years I have ben around here..... just to set my original statement more accurately....  I quickly recall 2 mod threads in as many weeks or months which ever..... and that was just in the General Discussion forum alone......  I am not as on top of things as Lusche is <grin>

I still like the SYSTEM MESSAGE: gameid muted by moderator - reason - because it is HTC's SandBox
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Re: Mods
« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2011, 02:11:25 PM »
The point of muting is stopping unacceptable behavior. There is no need to embarrass the customer.
Generally the customer as already embarrassed themselves...just sayin
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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2011, 02:12:25 PM »
 :rofl ... HiTech will tell you who the Mods are the day he hands the source coad over to you.
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Re: Mods
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2011, 02:16:19 PM »
Didn't think of this,  maybe a squad thing ;)


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Re: Mods
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2011, 02:19:12 PM »
...unless I've missed something, in the last couple months, I count... 2 threads? :)  Granted, an increase of infinity percent over 0, but still, hardly a deluge.

I think a lot of people who are feeling oppressed when they're getting muted and other people aren't might feel a lot better if the way the mod process works was outlined a bit more clearly?

If I'm not mistaken, the basic gist of it is, you can get automuted with no human intervention whatsoever if you type one of the words on the list, right?  Then there's the mass .report that can get you muted, which just requires a bunch of players to .report you within a certain timeframe, right?  Beyond that, there's actually the mod player who notices you showing your backside on the public channels and mutes you.

It seems to me fairly likely that many of the 'unfair' mutings have been automatic mutes for typing one of the forbidden words or mass .reports.  The speed with which those who have been 'wronged' seem to mention seems to indicate to me that it's more than likely the automated system in a lot of cases.

Wiley.



The thread started way back with someone complaing about getting muted for a millenium or something and asking if it seemed fair.  Are folks are complaing that the secret mod police have personal bias' against sertain players, and that's why the variation in punishments? If that's the case, the argument about "you broke the rules so you have no complaint" is not valid.


Of course no one has offered proof of such bias. Nor am I making a case that it exists. I just think folks should think a little deeper about the complaints that a handful of anonymous enforcers may not be acting as fair as we would all like them to be. Rejecting those complains as whing may be a mistake at times.  


I've stated previously that my position is that verbal abusers like an audience. In which case ignore and .squelch would be more effective than debate and .report.

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Re: Mods
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2011, 02:31:33 PM »
Wiley, these ppl can't handle logic. Why do you try?

If not me... then who?
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Seriously though, it's my sincere, idealistic hope that someone will read my post, and in the future if they are muted, they will realize that they were muted for saying F*** on a public channel by the software, not a mod who had let the people go who used fancy %(*% to bypass the filters so they wouldn't get muted.

Also, they might realize that it's a distinct possibility (even likely!) that they were mass .reported, before jumping to the immediate conclusion that HTC has a democrat/republican/American/bish/rook/knight/anti-theirparticularskincolor/anti-theirparticularcountry prejudice and picked on them specifically.

Better yet, it might save them from creating another thread on these forums with the same comments from both sides about the perceived injustices within the game.

I realize it will not reach many people who have a tendency toward doing such things, but I hold out the hope...

well... I been here for a few years.... I quit wearing a watch and keeping up with days or dates except the extreme important ones.....

 my "these days" covers the last 3 or 4 years verses the first 7 to 8 or even 9  years I have ben around here..... just to set my original statement more accurately....  I quickly recall 2 mod threads in as many weeks or months which ever..... and that was just in the General Discussion forum alone......  I am not as on top of things as Lusche is <grin>

I still like the SYSTEM MESSAGE: gameid muted by moderator - reason - because it is HTC's SandBox


Heh, fair enough.  My 'old days' are measured in months. :)  I find it fascinating how little changes over time on these boards.  Somebody necrobumped a thread from 2004 the other day where a bunch of people were talking about how the gameplay had deteriorated from the 'good old days', and I could've sworn it was started last week, the way the people in that thread from 2004 were talking.

My counterargument for that would be a) we don't really need more channel spam and b) if they had any shame, they wouldn't be showing their backsides on the public channels, therefore the public shaming would have no effect, QED.

Vinkman- It just seems to me several orders of magnitude more likely that a lot of mutings are due to mass .reports or the automatic system versus a mod who's biased just sitting there waiting to pounce on people who are against his bias.  In any case, knowing who the mods are helps nothing, and doing anything other than emailing HTC if you feel you were wrongly muted is pointless, IMO.  All it does is disturb a lot of people who then feel the need to jump on the 'Freedom of speech!', 'The mods should be named!', and 'Help! We're being oppressed!' bandwagon.

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Re: Mods
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2011, 02:36:03 PM »
Im thinking we will have the plans to the rebel base :ahand and the  :noid list of mods in "2 weeks".
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I think if a player gets squelched a message telling the player that the he has been squelched should hit the persons text buffer. Doesn't need to say who did it.
When a MOD mutes a player it should simply say you were muted and for how long. The MOD should have to send in the film for why if the issue comes up from the player as to why it happened. Doesn't have to be country wide in either case.
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Re: Mods
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2011, 02:38:43 PM »
I have been muted a few times and even got a week suspension here before.

That goes without saying I think there are highly respected members of Ah that should be considered by Hitechcreations for becoming arena mods.

Say take 1-2 mods from each high traffic time zones to help moderate.  

Maybe a few Europeans and some Americans.

These people would be asked by the staff and either they want to or don't...and nobody should know who they are.

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« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »
The MOD should have to send in the film for why if the issue comes up from the player as to why it happened. Doesn't have to be country wide in either case.

Call me crazy, but I would be almost willing to eat my hat if HTC doesn't log the public channels already.  They'd only need to look at them if there's a complaint, but I'd be very surprised if that's not the case.

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Re: Mods
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
You got the  :noid.   :aok

I don't know how Mod muting works, but I would assume you would get a warning first.

You probably should have addressed the issue to HTC, Inc. instead of airing it out here.


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