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Bridge Design Challenge
« on: February 12, 2011, 02:02:01 PM »
Thought this might be fun for some of you who like this kind of thing and for those who despise engineers to play engineer!

I am going to design a bridge (grad school project) out of either steel or prestressed concrete, and this is the proposed location for where the bridge is going to go.  Cost effectiveness plays a big part.  For example, when the piers get larger cost of them increases non linearly, however not as much cut will have to be made into existing terrain.  Or on another token, the more piers you have, the smaller your girders will be however there will be additional cost for the added pier(s).  Don't worry about this stuff when making a conceptual design.  Lets just say it will be a 2 lane bridge.
Another thing to keep in mind: When you start exceeding ~35meters your girders start to get a lot more expensive quick.  So dont just try a 150m girder across the bridge and say done.  That won't work :)

Challenge To You guys: Come up with a conceptual design for your bridge.  Where would you place your piers, girders, and consequentially your cut and fill?  Lets call the bottom of bridge minimum at 187 m.  I have a few ideas of my own.  I will take the best ideas out of pool and run cost analysis on all and see which one will be the least expensive and most efficient.




To get the ball rolling, here's the simplest design I sketched up rather quickly in paint.  Two span simply supported prestressed conc girders with one pier.  Girders will be huge.  Two piers may be more efficient.  Anyways here's to get the ball rolling.



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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2011, 02:29:49 PM »
Also a bit of fun. I have done all but one.
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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2011, 02:32:01 PM »
Couple of questions

What is the prevailing code?

What state and county is this going in to?

What are the piers going in to or are you giving everybody a pass on figuring out how deep to embed the piers?

Are we talking freshwater or salt water?

Oh and can I play or am I dq'd?  

Interesting project though since I don't do bridge design but I don't mind exercising my brain from time to time.  

PS.. you know there's probably one or two guys besides yourself on this board that have the credentials to actually come up with a working design that would pass the code and stay at or below budget don't you?  I ain't one of them.  
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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2011, 02:38:32 PM »
What is the prevailing code?

AASHTO & ASCE

What state and county is this going in to?  

Not specified.

What are the piers going in to or are you giving everybody a pass on figuring out how deep to embed the piers?  

That's engineering.  I'm giving a pass on worrying about that stuff.

Oh and can I play or am I dq'd?  

You most certainly can play.  Please post your design concept :)

PS.. you know there's probably one or two guys besides yourself on this board that have the credentials to actually come up with a working design that would pass the code and stay at or below budget don't you?  I ain't one of them.  

I don't have the credentials either, as I am not a bridge engineer.  But I have a pretty good feeling on the feasibility of a concept as it relates to cost, and I will figure that all out once I decide on a design.  Either way it's just a challenge to simply draw where your bridge will go and where the supports will be.  Lets see em :)

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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2011, 02:43:45 PM »
I call it bridge. Tried not to get too caught up in technical terms.




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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2011, 02:51:33 PM »
I call it bridge. Tried not to get too caught up in technical terms.


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Unfortunately I don't think that will work for two reasons:

1) Since you are essentially "damming" part of the river, you are increasing the rate of flow under the bridge which is dangerous for multiple reasons but in particular, scouring out your foundation.
2) Your extreme water level will actually rise and you will have to build the bridge higher.  

It may be possible to fill in part of the edge with some of the cut on the right side, but it won't be possible at the degree in which you show.  I will keep it in mind.  Thx for the submittal.   :aok

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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2011, 03:01:15 PM »
To bad there isn't an easier spot to build a bridge. Elevation changes from side to side are so different that there would be no "cheap" way of building a bridge. You need to find a different location!

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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2011, 03:11:24 PM »
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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2011, 03:17:47 PM »
well this is just something i thought of really quick after watching its construction back in 1997, its a hurried pic



 It's a Cable-stayed bridge in a semi-fan arrangement, Prestressed Concrete Deck and towers after the Thea Foss waterway bridge, now not having the soil analysis, or general hardscape of the land makes it harder but another option would be an Arched similar to this one ( its just down the road)


 
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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2011, 03:28:54 PM »
(Image removed from quote.)

I'm not opposed to the concept of a suspension bridge of course, but there would be no tunnel since the tunnel would have to be big enough to accomodate big trucks and by that point >12ft clearance you are already past the height of that hill.  The way the picture is scaled is misleading.  The y axis and x axis scales are completely different, so while your scale looks correct for the size of the tunnel based off the x axis, It's way off on the y axis since your tunnel is only about 3 feet high :)

I think the suspension bridge might be overkill for the 300 ft span and will be way too expensive but it is an option.  Of course, I don't think I'd be able to design it which is another reason I might not want to do that.   :)

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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2011, 03:39:55 PM »
Are you just trying to get us to write your paper for you. :D
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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2011, 03:46:12 PM »
Are you just trying to get us to write your paper for you. :D

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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2011, 04:11:58 PM »
OK i redid mine little bit more to scale i think and the Cables are ran different to spread the load out through out the tower as apposed to my first drawing


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Re: Bridge Design Challenge
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2011, 04:12:24 PM »
Are you just trying to get us to write your paper for you. :D

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Nah just curious on different bridge configurations.  This is the creativity phase of design.  You don't have to be an engineer to envision how you want a bridge to look.  This is just the first part of the project though, the actual work will be in cost analysis, and all rigorous design of the bridge itself.  But before that can start I need to decide on the general stuff.