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Offline Dragon

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2011, 12:01:46 PM »
Keep in mind also that most craft beers tend to sit around for much longer than is good for them, this does contribute to off-kilter flavors.  I notice a difference between filling my growler at Great Lakes and buying a six-pack of it at the corner store. 


I'm not saying that ALL craft beers are good, there have been several that I have been unable to finish, but to say the bad ones outnumber the good or even great ones, it really a stretch IMHO.
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2011, 12:38:42 PM »
I've heard there are not only people that CAN stomach oriental "food", some even claim to LIKE the taste of it!

Supposedly, some people willingly pay money for it!

No surprises as far as beer drinkers go.
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2011, 12:50:13 PM »
lol Beer Elitism

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2011, 01:00:35 PM »
People have different tastes or this would never exist...
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2011, 01:06:34 PM »
I actually enjoy this monstrosity. 

http://www.eriebrewingco.com/OlRed.html

In moderation, of course.

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2011, 01:20:29 PM »
They brew what they brew because people drink it. Just because your taste buds dont consider it beer, doesnt mean that others don't. No brewery expects everyone to enjoy their product.

Ahh good point.  Therefore, McDonald's burgers must be really good burgers made with real quality meat and excellent taste, since so many people eat them  :aok   What other explanation could there possibly be
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2011, 01:25:07 PM »
Ahh good point.  Therefore, McDonald's burgers must be really good burgers made with real quality meat and excellent taste, since so many people eat them  :aok   What other explanation could there possibly be

Nope..try again.

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2011, 01:37:54 PM »
Nope Dragon I just can't stand the crap that breweries in general in the USA try to pawn off on consumers as beer. Most times in the case of Buttweiser and others like them its nothing more than butt taste in a bottle/can.

As I mentioned above you can find decent good quality beers with good flavors but you honestly have to settle more than than not for something that just sucks.

Of course that is just your opinion.
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2011, 02:12:49 PM »
Ahh good point.  Therefore, McDonald's burgers must be really good burgers made with real quality meat and excellent taste, since so many people eat them  :aok   What other explanation could there possibly be

It's not really a discussion of mass produced beer, which fits more into the McDonald level.  It's more like someone trying a couple burger joints in a few different cities in the US, not liking them and then coming to the conclusion that all burgers in the US must be crappily made.  It is really just a matter of opinion, as Shuffler mentioned, but you could hardly state it as fact since there are so many critically acclaimed craft beers in the US.

Hoppy beer is a big hit in the US, our IPAs are much more hoppy than a traditional British IPA.  Enough of the people like the flavor, they target that market ( I believe that is what Norm meant).  Having a hoppy beer is no indication of its quality.

But as I said in the end drink what you like, there are so many out there you are bound to find something that suits you.   I have had many beers that I think taste lousy, but not just because I think they are poorly made, they just don't suit my taste.

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2011, 02:54:51 PM »
A squaddie on our squadron boards got me to thinking about this so here is my mini rant.

I have had it with people trying to force these "high gravity" and "craft brews" on me. I can't stand 99% of the ones I have tasted and I like to think that I have tried beer in its various forms and flavors just to make an informed opinion. In these alleged good beers I find that all these micro-brewers and craft breweries tend to load up a beverage with so much hops that you can't get the rest of the flavors out of a beer that you should. Beer should have a nice refreshing, cooling, flavorful taste in your mouth and not make you feel like you just drank liquid horse crap; like 99% of the North American.....no USA brewers which overload beer with hops. They need to look at what makes the beers in Europe and many Canadian brews taste good...less hops and preservatives and greater flavors.

With that said I have found a couple that I can drink and like even though I still think they are loaded with more hops than they should have...at least compared to the similar style beverages I have had from Europe.

Brother Thelonious by North Coast Brewery, Dogfish Head Midas Touch, Leinenkugels Summer Shandy...heck just about anything that Leinenkugels brews and lastly the only Sam Adams I can tolerate Noble Pils.


You have to consider the style of craft beer that you are choosing to try and judge it by the brewers intent.  Beer is typically judged by : Appearance, Flavor, Aroma, mouthfeel and the overall impression.    http://www.bjcp.org/index.php

If it is an IPA, Pale Ale, English Bitter, etc it is going to biatch-slap you with hops in the entire flavor profile.  From the bitter taste, the tangy-citrus flavor in the aftertaste and the hop aroma in the nose.  If you are not a fan of hops, that is not your kind of beer.  Dogfish Head 60 minute IPA is a great example of using the entire profile of the hops.  It is hopped through the entire 60 minute boil.  When they first started out, they used the old "vibrating" football game, filled it with all the hops, put it on a slant and let it buzz.  (BTW, hops ARE preservatives)  It takes a bit if getting used-to to appreciate an IPA and train your taste buds

Hacker-Pschoor, paulaner or any hefeweizen style beer, the hops are almost nonexistant.  What you will taste, however is the yeast and the esters of the yeast which could have a flavor resembling a few things from banana to bubble-gum to cloves.

Most lager style beers will have a nice balance of malt AND hops with a crisp finish and no fruity esters of an ale.  They are fermented at lower temperatures with diactyl rests and are aged longer (hence the German word lager meaning "to store"

Ales are more fruity in taste and fermented at higher temperatures.

Stouts (also an ale) get their flavor from roasted barley.

Bocks and dopplebocks (anything ending in "ator" such as Spaten Optimator) is all about the malt (and are typically lagers)  and are full-bodied with a rich malt profile with usually only a bittering hop addition small enough from making the brew cloyingly sweet.  They use a lot of dark Munich, Vienna or chocolate malts.

Real pilsners are supposed to come from the Pilsen region in the Czech republic which is famous for the properties of it's water.

Your typical Bud, Coors, Miller are all for drinking and refreshment.  They are a light lager brewed with very pale pilsner malts (and lots of corn, rice or other adjuncts) which ferment more easily, leave less unfermentable sugars after the mashing process (which, in turn, leaves less calories in the finished product) and are much cheaper to purchase.  It's actually quite difficult for a craft or home brewer to make these kinds of beer as any mistake in the recipe is grossly evident in the final product (too much hops, wrong yeast, too much malt, etc)

You were asked which beers you liked.  You named breweries, not beers  :)

I wouldn't make the blanket statement that craft beers in the USA suck.  What would be more accurate, perhaps is that you are not trying beers in the style(s) that you prefer  :aok

That being said, there ARE some craft brews out there that suck.

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2011, 05:34:24 PM »
Brew your own beer, nothing will taste as good.

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2011, 07:33:24 PM »
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2011, 07:46:34 PM »
i would not say that Beer from USA sucks,
its different, just a different taste,
i live close to the black forrest in germany, we have two main breweries here (Rothaus & Waldhaus),
that i call a very good Beer, but i also like a good Guinness from time to time, or thanks to the Internet
i buy Beer from around the world just to taste it. When on Holidays in another country i only drink
the local beers, not the export stuff, i like to taste the world, its fun!
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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2011, 08:59:28 PM »
I wish we had a local brewery here.  There are none as far as I know.  :rolleyes:

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Re: "Craft Beer" in the USA generally sucks.
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2011, 09:09:23 PM »
VonMessa I can appreciate what you are saying there but on the whole I will try all types of beer in every place that I go and I try to like them. I honestly do but other than some really decent home brew that friends of mine have made I would much prefer a pils from either Bavaria or the Czech Republic to one that is made here in the USA; as for an IPA I like some but the vast majority just aren't for me.

And as I said...I drink beer all the time from all over this country and world and think I have a pretty good understanding of what great beer is and how it tastes. The German company I used to work for would pack kegs and cases of different beers and cases of liquor and liqueurs from Europe into our shipping containers and send them over to us.

For an IPA I do like the Deuchars IPA when I am in England or Denmark...you can't get it over here or at least I have never been able to find it here.
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