Red Tails- Movie

[uptown]

That's an awesome photo CorkyGuppyDanJr.  



I'd like to have that as a wallpaper



Crew weight 200 lbs!! Hell I'm too fat the fly the 51    No wonder I can't rope anybody 

[321BAR]

And last but not least, that incredible move by the 51 to shoot the 262...although it turns out it's a 109G and the 262 bit was spliced in to the trailer and appeared to be what the 51 got with his fancy move.  Combat flaps and lots of rudder on that 51.
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joachim that 51 spin you see is taken right out of the series Dogfights. Its the imfamous Richard Candelaria kill... The one and only documented to pull this maneuver during WWII

(and yes the 51 can actually do this maneuver but i doubt most real war pilots would ever chance this. even in AH this move is dangerous to pull off as i have learned is a hit or miss... though spin from the 65th will most likely back me up in saying its possible )

[jimson]

And Mace, that was a fairly bizarre rant where if read in the wrong way, seems to convey that indeed the native Americans were in dire need of the genocide we provided for them. We are not a perfect people,

I understood perfectly where Mace was coming from of Hollywood's depiction of only the imperfections of one race, ignoring for example the Soiux's attempted genocide of the Pawnee and them the Arapahoe and them those that came before them in their immutable claim to the Northern plains, not to mention always ignoring the unspeakable tortures visited upon women and children of settlers by the "angelic cherubs."

The thing we have in common as the family of mankind, is that we were all horrible in our own own ways.

[VonMessa]

One of the interesting stories we heard from our old Airwarrior buddy Earl Miller, was that his fighter group, the 350th FG, got hand me down 39s from the 332nd.  The 350th flew 39s into August 44 in the MTO before finally getting Jugs.  The Red Tails had been in Jugs and then 51s for a bit by then.

My youngest son is African American so I really want this movie to be decent for him.  He's got a 1/18th scale Red Tail Mustang hanging in his room and I have to take the pilot out for him every day.  He points to the pilot and then to himself indicating that's him. (He's deaf so he's signing it)  I was worried that he was going to wear out the pilot as I'd like it to stay intact for when he gets older so I tried to find another he could carry around.  All I could find was a 1/18th scale white Mustang pilot.  He took one look and set it down.  He wanted the black pilot as that's him

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I'm digging the helmet.   Looks like he is working on his fighter pilot's face, already 

[PR3D4TOR]

One of the interesting stories we heard from our old Airwarrior buddy Earl Miller, was that his fighter group, the 350th FG, got hand me down 39s from the 332nd.  The 350th flew 39s into August 44 in the MTO before finally getting Jugs.  The Red Tails had been in Jugs and then 51s for a bit by then.

My youngest son is African American so I really want this movie to be decent for him.  He's got a 1/18th scale Red Tail Mustang hanging in his room and I have to take the pilot out for him every day.  He points to the pilot and then to himself indicating that's him. (He's deaf so he's signing it)  I was worried that he was going to wear out the pilot as I'd like it to stay intact for when he gets older so I tried to find another he could carry around.  All I could find was a 1/18th scale white Mustang pilot.  He took one look and set it down.  He wanted the black pilot as that's him

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That's awesome! He's lucky to have you as a parent 

[Baumer]

One of the interesting stories we heard from our old Airwarrior buddy Earl Miller, was that his fighter group, the 350th FG, got hand me down 39s from the 332nd.  The 350th flew 39s into August 44 in the MTO before finally getting Jugs.  The Red Tails had been in Jugs and then 51s for a bit by then.

Well as you know (especially in the MTO) squadrons were constantly getting shuffled around and reorganized. I mean look at how much the the 99th bounced around in it's first year in combat.

33d Fighter Group (29 May 1943 – 29 June 1943)- P-40's
324th Fighter Group (29 June 1943 – 19 July 1943)- P-40's
33d Fighter Group (19 July – 16 October 1943)- P-40's
79th Fighter Group (16 October 1943 – 1 April 1944)- P-39's
324th Fighter Group (1 April – 6 June 1944)- P-39's
86th Fighter Group (11–30 June 1944)- No planes
332nd Fighter Group (1 July 1944)- P-51's

As the 100th, and 300th squadrons got setup in January of 44 they initially had 39's as well, but they wanted to consolidate the fighter group. So the 100th and 300th started the switch to P-47 in March of 44 and then into P-51s about May of 44 (if I remember correctly). So if you were one of the original pilots with the 99th when it deployed you got to fly many different planes before your tour was up.

• P-40F
• P-40L
• P-39Q
• P-47D
• P-51B/C
• P-51D

That's quite a list of planes to fly in less than two years!

BTW great photo! 
 

[RedTop]

If people approach this movie about a historical event developed by a Hollywierdo who's sole purpose is to entertain, then all will be fine.  But as soon as people start to nit-pick the tid-bits, then too bad for them.  I highly suggest that people remember that this is for entertainment, not historical documentation. 

 

I swear...Just watch the damn movie for fun....geeesh this is whats wrong with people half the time...some smartass knows to much and just has to prove it.

[Vinkman]

Really? under represented? How many Dick Bong, Bud Anderson, 356th, Frank Gabreski movies have you seen? This will make the third Tuskeegee airmen movie I've seen.
Yes there were a lot of recruiting shlock made during the war, and few good bomber movies like Twelve O'Clock high, Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo, but there have been very few movies telling the story of specific American Fighter pilots. I think the Tuskeegee airmen have been well represented, as they should be. 

Let's see.  There was "Reach for the Sky" about Douglas Bader, there was "Spitfire" about R. Mitchell, there was "The Battle of Britain" among whom were represented Ginger Lacey, 'Sailor' Malan, Keith Park, Hugh Dowding, but to name a few. There was the Television series "Baa Baa Blacksheep" about Greg Boyington, and his squadron, there was the "Joseph McConnell Story", There was "Red Baron" about Richthofen, and "The Blue Max" loosely based on Ernst  Udet.  Then there's "God is my Co-Pilot" about Bob Scott, Spirit of St. Louis,  "Memphis Belle" (two) about Robert Morgan and his crew.  There are others such as "30 Seconds Over Tokyo" basically about Ted Lawson, "Dark Blue World"  A Czech film about Czech pilots that flew with the RAF,  Flying Tigers, Flying Leathernecks, Midway...the list goes on  Just because your favorite pilot may not have been singled out for his own feature length film, doesn't mean American, British, or German Aviators have been under represented.

TeeArr.

I didn't say American fighter pilots were under represented. I said the idea that the Tuskeegee airmen were under represented is simply not true by any comparison.   

[HighGTrn]

Battle of France done with Spitfires.  Should have been Hurricanes since the Spits didn't get sent to France in 1940   Loosely based on a Novel by Derek Robinson, which was inspired by or stolen from (depending on who you ask)  Paul Richey's wartime book called "Fighter Pilot" about his time flying Hurricanes with 1 Squadron in France.

Corky, if you lived around the DC area, you would be an awesome docent. I talk to those guys all the time and they have a blast doing it.

[Scherf]

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That pic is full of awesome, Guppy.

[Pollock]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpA6TC0T_Lw

[Melvin]

Really?

Did we need another thread about this movie?

Please just make it stop... 

[F22RaptorDude]

Hasn't there been like 4 threads already?

[skorpion]

Hasn't there been like 4 threads already?

multiply that by 1000 and you got it.

 

[F22RaptorDude]

multiply that by 1000 and you got it.