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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #435 on: January 20, 2012, 06:07:02 AM »
Entertaining movie, I came in without high expectations, but I thought it was beautifully done.  All the special effects and eye candy make it worth the big screen or future blue ray release - in the end it's what should draw most viewers in and someday would be nice to see in 3D maybe, but it's probabley not going to go there.  They chose a good cast, each had some really great moment of acting, but I'm not a fan of hollydrama (which when you're filming an actor jammed into a simulated cockpit infront of a camera is bound to happen) so I might just be turned off to what were otherwise better scenes.   

I don't really want to spoil any of it, I'll try my sincerest best, but otherwise its best to ignore any opinions until you see it yourself.  I sincerely don't think most of us can find anything better to complain about than spending a couple hours and a few bucks to sit in a theater and looking at wonderfuly CGIed WWII aircraft.

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I defend the love story they put into it, they didn't "Pearl Harbor" it, but the end will definitely leave most feeling "corned". 

They hollywooded/condensed the stages of the war campaign and these mens role and presence throughout it through and through, and for shoehorning a story expanding almost the entire timespan of the ETO, even for one unit, I thought it was well done.  The history buffs will feel robbed to some degree , like I honestly do (is there ever "enough"?  But seriously, with a lack of further information, you'd think the Tuskegee Airmen consisted of only 6-8 pilots and participated in only a handful of operations and two bomber escort missions throughout the majority of their time in Italy and the ETO), but I was expecting this (the best we can hope for is a 12+ hour HBO documentary, but you get all you can possibly get in less than 150-minutes). 

Still the CGI and graphics were excelent, and a couple of the maneuvers were sometimes shown in a nice pretty, tight framed shots turning faster and tighter than possible, I'd rate it not AH, but not UFO.

The story itself... well, my friend who went with me put it best - if they were going for a classic WWII aviation movie/story, they missed the part where you need a single or greater-ultimate villain to climatically triumph over, and for hollywood... it was surprisingly anticlimatic.  Yes there was "the german ace/flight leader", but they never referred to him or established him in relation to these pilots as any specific threat to them until it was no longer relevant - he was just one of the bad guys, maybe a little better than the rest, throughout.  And the edited trailers/teasers for the film vilified the bigamous pentagon general/generals better than the movie too.

Probably the greatest and only real killjoy - and I'm sure Lucas will shortly be getting a long, detailed, and in-depth letter from gramps (Bustr) and others in our community about it - is someone mixed up the ballistics and lethality of the Mk108 30mm with the Browning .30cal... really bad.  And that's just a shame, would of really underlined the lethality and fear instilled upon the 262 in allied buff crews, and upped the climatic victory factor if the viewer thought each 262 that the Tuskegee were portrayed shooting down was actually as capable and a lethal weapon against the buffs as they were.


It's late here, g'night, hope others add their thoughts on the movie as they go and gather them.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #436 on: January 20, 2012, 10:41:07 AM »
Got awful reviews   :bhead

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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #437 on: January 20, 2012, 03:04:13 PM »
I posted this in the 80th squad forums...

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I just got back from seeing the movie and it was exactly what I expected. 'Don't let facts get in the way of a good story', but it just might sucker some kids into getting interested in the period. If I had a son between the ages of 5-9, it would of been a perfect 'father/son' outing.

As Hollywood as it was, I hope it does well or future films (accurate or not) about the period have a slim chance of being made.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #438 on: January 20, 2012, 05:44:38 PM »
I highly suspect it will be full of false bravado, chest thumping, and Cuba Gooding making large ostentatious face grimaces.

Went to the premier this afternoon....

False bravado = CHECK

Chest thumping = CHECK

Cuba Gooding making large ostentatious face grimaces = CHECK  :lol


Good flick!   :aok

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« Reply #439 on: January 20, 2012, 06:52:43 PM »
Got awful reviews   :bhead

Well, I wouldn't say it was fantastic, but it delivered greater than what I expected.  I wonder what the movie critics specificly were hoping for or thought that it was lacking?  And I mostly mean comparatively, they are from inside the industry, and we're the rare-breed WWII-aviation nuts.

I posted this in the 80th squad forums...


Agreed, I for one feel there is more riding on this film than just itself.  And Hollywood could of easily done a lot worse , but I think we might actually have Lucas to thank for that one, there could of been a lot more fingers reaching into it.

I'm wondering today how much I want to see it again... In comparison, at this time into Pearl Harbor's most recent release, you couldn't pay me to see it again before it got released on DvD... I wouldn't go outa the way by myself (probabley rather play AH), but if a friend asked me I wouldn't think twice.
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #440 on: January 20, 2012, 07:03:23 PM »
Just got back from seeing it.

Had a blast.  :rock

You have to really not like movies to not enjoy this film. The dialoge was hit or miss, but mostly good. Most pro reviewers seem to lack the understanding that the corn, cheese, and campiness was intentional. Either that or they dont care. It really did have the feel of an old timey war film. I half expected to see John Wayne show up in "cinematic blackface" and rally the pilots. "Saddle up your horses, pilgrims. We're goin' north of the border. That's right, we're takin' the fight to the Krauts."

The combat scenes were well done. Some aspects were a bit hokey, but I've seen worse in more realistic films. Even the "flat plate" manouver shown in the trailer was set up well, both in terms of shot scripting and story scripting. The pilot was inspited by seeing the German ace pull a similar move in a 109: the Tailslide.  :devil

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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #441 on: January 20, 2012, 07:12:55 PM »
Just found out that it wont be playing at my Cinemark Theater, they have done this to other movies.

Disappointed, but I plan on going to Pittsburgh tomorrow. Will see it there.
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« Reply #442 on: January 20, 2012, 07:46:23 PM »
So, can I take my seven year old Son to the movie?







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« Reply #443 on: January 20, 2012, 08:57:20 PM »
Just saw the movie.  Very entertaining.  It is nicely done and more than met my expectations.  My buddy Sweet16 and I sat next to a guy who mentioned "High Tech Creations".   Huh?  Then I introduced myself to PD37.   Small world.

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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #444 on: January 20, 2012, 09:14:17 PM »
Just got home from the theater.. IN my opinion the 1st movie is better, i would recommend u guys to not waste your money




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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #445 on: January 20, 2012, 11:04:13 PM »
Went and saw it with my roommate, who didn't think she was going to like it. Instead she was on the edge of her seat. The whole theater was applauding when "Pretty Boy" went down and after the credits began to roll. While it won't win any awards for writing, it was definitely a crowd-pleaser.
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« Reply #446 on: January 20, 2012, 11:51:28 PM »
I'd be interested in hearing your complaints or kudos regarding the ACM depicted in Red Tails.

My points:

1. The trick flying: Watching the German pilot during that sequence I was like "Yup...yup...yup...".  While it was more extreme than your usual flying, I definitely recall getting reversed by K4's and on occasion reversing while flying a K4 using similar tactics.  Maybe not a flip stall, but definitely pulling sharply enough to evade and end up on the other guy's six.  Also, I can't tell if the German was flying a K4 or not.  He had the nose cannon, but I couldn't tell if it was a 20 or a 30. :)

Of course, doing the same thing with a Mustang is a different question.  I'm several months from flying in AH, but it seems to me that yes, you could flip a pony like that, but not at high speed, and really, why would you want to when someone might nail you at the top of the stall? 

2. I think it was somewhat of a disservice to other escort squadrons to depict them as getting suckered by decoys.  The implication was that this was a consistent problem, but by that time had they not developed better escort doctrine?

3. I can forgive the images of the fighters flying so close to the heavies, since the public perception of what close escort means is very different than in reality.  Also, there weren't many shots of the fighters chasing each other through the bomber boxes.  Mostly it looked like they were fighting around the bomber formations rather than going right through them.

4. Late Model P-40's against 109's?  Discuss?

5. Of the jet kills shown in the film, one was a deflection shot, one was a HO, one was a tail end shot at extreme range, and I can't remember the last one.  I'm willing to buy that despite what my personal experience in the main arenas tells me.  Then again, they all sound pretty much like how you do get kills on jets, other than catching them landing or taking off.  BTW, does anyone know how the Red Tails really got their 262 kills on that mission?  Did they get them defending the bombers or did they stake out an airfield and get the jets on takeoff and landing?


Interested in hearing everyone's thoughts.


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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #447 on: January 21, 2012, 12:06:14 AM »
It's late, I can't read :( .

I just didn't like how shallow some parts were. "Oh, it's a colored guy flying a p51, they won't be much help." "Oh wow, they didn't take the bait, I sure hope they fly with us forever." With the actual time span of that dialogue not much more stretched out than the time it takes to read off this page.

Not sure why they fell in love with that trick move for the movie, but meh. Not sure you could tumble it like that exactly.

Did love the Italian girl!
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« Reply #448 on: January 21, 2012, 12:17:44 AM »
I dont exactly recall how the 262's were downed.  I'm working off memory from a couple of years back but I thought it was four confirmed air to air kills with two damaged and an additional probable.  I also recall the old dogfights series and I know they did one on the Tuskegee airmen.  The 262 encounter was covered on that episode.

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« Reply #449 on: January 21, 2012, 01:05:08 AM »
shockingly enough there are these things called 'books' that one could read to get around the actual truth to the events.
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