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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #510 on: January 22, 2012, 09:49:49 PM »
Were do we stop here? is it something you play until you die for the first time then your never allowed to play again because your dead?  
I would class Aces High as a combat sim why do you think its a game?

I would say the game simulates combat, but I wouldn't say it simulates the planes as far as controls and what is in a plane. Take falcon 4.0 as an example. You could even turn the lights on in the plane. This game you can use a stick to fly and throttle and what controls it has. It simply is incomplete at the controls it could have. Is that a better way to put it for you maybe? We have a main arena full of 109 vs 190 and spit vs corsair. You saying that's sim? We could both go round and round about what is a sim and what isn't for a long time. I call this a game you call it a sim. We good or did I make you angry?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84480 <---- simulator by the initial looks of it

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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #511 on: January 22, 2012, 10:42:35 PM »
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« Reply #512 on: January 22, 2012, 10:51:44 PM »
I would say the game simulates combat, but I wouldn't say it simulates the planes as far as controls and what is in a plane. Take falcon 4.0 as an example. You could even turn the lights on in the plane. This game you can use a stick to fly and throttle and what controls it has. It simply is incomplete at the controls it could have. Is that a better way to put it for you maybe? We have a main arena full of 109 vs 190 and spit vs corsair. You saying that's sim? We could both go round and round about what is a sim and what isn't for a long time. I call this a game you call it a sim. We good or did I make you angry?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84480 <---- simulator by the initial looks of it



you are right AH is not a true "flight/combat" sim...I would say closer to a combat sim then flight sim......

I think its basically a perfect mix for a great game that simulates Aerial Combat.....that will certainly teach ya the ACM involved in Air combat :aok


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« Reply #513 on: January 22, 2012, 11:37:32 PM »
I would say the game simulates combat, but I wouldn't say it simulates the planes as far as controls and what is in a plane. Take falcon 4.0 as an example. You could even turn the lights on in the plane. This game you can use a stick to fly and throttle and what controls it has. It simply is incomplete at the controls it could have. Is that a better way to put it for you maybe? We have a main arena full of 109 vs 190 and spit vs corsair. You saying that's sim? We could both go round and round about what is a sim and what isn't for a long time. I call this a game you call it a sim. We good or did I make you angry?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=84480 <---- simulator by the initial looks of it



So how are people to operate all these controls considering Aces High with the very basic controls has a full keyboard? Would this add to your enjoyment or distract you from combat? You haven't made me angry its just your hopping around here belittling people that play a game that you play as well? Is there something special about you we should know? I find it a bit cringeworthy tbh

Please, this is a game, not even a sim of the same kind of controls you see in a real plane. Maybe 5 tops including stick, rudder, throttle, and oh views if you use track ir and a keyboard to adjust rpm and maybe, MAYBE trims. You think you could take a real plane and do the same stuff you can in this game? HAHAHA wow. Really think about it gamer. This game doesn't make you a pilot by any stretch of the imagination. It's a game man, come on back down to earth now.  :O

If you hung it up for someone to take you in a WAR you are finished for good. In here you up a new plane. Think about it you don't need expertise to see that one. lol

Are you a real pilot or something? Do you fly planes? How do you know this?

History channel and military channel call it the best fighter of the war as far as turning ability and overall performance. Just finished watching the historians get down and dirty about all these little ratios on the history channel. Seems like our version of the p-51d is really castrated. Not a pilot but for a plane to have so much praise and so much performance and yet it turns like a brick and for not very long before the E gets sucked out of it.... hmmm don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out that our version is made of the same stuff a nerf football is.Don't hurt your heads crunching numbers. The benchmarks of the guys making these models is really off or using different information it seems. Cheers anyway and hope the planes (not just the p51D) get fixed at least a bit. See you guys in the MA.

James

 :huh :huh :huh Have you flown a p51?

And ps just so you know I would class that link you posted as a genre of a 'game' the same as Aces High different but still a game, reality is reality playing on a PC is a game no matter how many buttons you have to push.  :rofl

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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #514 on: January 23, 2012, 12:03:45 AM »
So how are people to operate all these controls considering Aces High with the very basic controls has a full keyboard? Would this add to your enjoyment or distract you from combat? You haven't made me angry its just your hopping around here belittling people that play a game that you play as well? Is there something special about you we should know? I find it a bit cringeworthy tbh

Are you a real pilot or something? Do you fly planes? How do you know this?

 :huh :huh :huh Have you flown a p51?

And ps just so you know I would class that link you posted as a genre of a 'game' the same as Aces High different but still a game, reality is reality playing on a PC is a game no matter how many buttons you have to push.  :rofl

Ok pal no I haven't flown a p51, just a piper warrior II. I don't think using all the controls would detract from the game, but I don't think it would hurt it either. In 2008 I hadn't realized how a p51 stacked up against other planes and yes I wrote that thinking things in here were wrong. I was still pretty new to this game. Your quoting skills are noteworthy. To you this is a sim and that's ok man. Yes playing on a computer is a game no matter what, we do agree there. That makes my point though that playing a game does not make you a fighter pilot nor does playing this game. Those guys train for months on stuff and use REAL simulators that move. Navigation, avionics, and so forth. I would say the p51 game in that link would be a sim because of the amount of detail to each system. That is a horrible gunsight in the one picture as well though.   
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #515 on: January 23, 2012, 12:07:20 AM »
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« Reply #516 on: January 23, 2012, 12:58:41 AM »
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« Reply #517 on: January 23, 2012, 06:40:31 AM »
Ok pal no I haven't flown a p51, just a piper warrior II. I don't think using all the controls would detract from the game, but I don't think it would hurt it either. In 2008 I hadn't realized how a p51 stacked up against other planes and yes I wrote that thinking things in here were wrong. I was still pretty new to this game. Your quoting skills are noteworthy. To you this is a sim and that's ok man. Yes playing on a computer is a game no matter what, we do agree there. That makes my point though that playing a game does not make you a fighter pilot nor does playing this game. Those guys train for months on stuff and use REAL simulators that move. Navigation, avionics, and so forth. I would say the p51 game in that link would be a sim because of the amount of detail to each system. That is a horrible gunsight in the one picture as well though.   
If you guys want to get wrapped up in semantics about what's a sim and what's a game that's fine but the answer is really simple, it's both. 

A simulator is intended to reproduce certain aspects of flight.  But all simulators have limitations and none of them actually reproduce the total flight experience as much as they represent portions of it to some degree.  Some simulators are simple PC based affairs designed just to teach fundamentals (pull the stick back, the earth gets small; push the stick forward, the earth gets big).  Some even represent specific airplanes, cockpits and controls like MS Flight Sim but even when talking  about the "real" multi-million-dollar simulators with motion bases and full cockpits they still don't really reproduce G-force for instance as much as "representing" it.  There are many "real" simulators that are perfect reproductions of a specific airplane's cockpit and performance which are great for instrument and emergency training but are absolutely worthless for ACM.  None of the simulators can reproduce the most important aspect of aviation which is you crash, you likely die.

As a basic flight sim to provide an introduction to the principles of flight AH is decent. Someone who "flew" this sim for a few hours would have a basic understanding that would help in actual flight training.  Could you spend hours and hours on this sim and then go out and solo a real airplane?  Once.  On the other hand, it's actually better in some ways than the multi-million dollar simulators (i.e., "real" simulators) for ACM, even the ones intended to teach ACM.  That's because you can do things over and over again for hours against other live "pilots."  It uses an accurate physics model to reproduce aircraft performance capabilities and it's perfectly acceptable for teaching ACM fundamentals, tactics, principles of energy management and lookout in either a 1 on 1 or multi-bandit environment so yeah, it's a sim.

Is it a game?  Sure it is.  As Wikipedia defines it:  "A game is structured playing, usually undertaken for enjoyment and sometimes used as an educational tool."  This is basically a perfect definition of AH, structured play that we do for enjoyment with aspects of providing a form of education about WWII air combat.  So, the answer is simple, it's both a game and a sim.  What's wrong with that?
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Re: Red Tails- Movie
« Reply #518 on: January 23, 2012, 10:05:22 AM »
So, the answer is simple, it's both a game and a sim.  What's wrong with that?

Because if you resolve it so simply we can't drag on hijacking this topic for another dozen pages.

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« Reply #519 on: January 23, 2012, 11:03:56 AM »
Because if you resolve it so simply we can't drag on hijacking this topic for another dozen pages.
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« Reply #520 on: January 23, 2012, 11:51:38 AM »
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« Reply #521 on: January 23, 2012, 02:51:02 PM »


This is the F-106 Delta Dart....the F-105 was nicknamed the "Thud".  :salute



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« Reply #522 on: January 23, 2012, 02:58:00 PM »
Believe there was a Delta Dart and a Delta Dagger.   One was F-102 and the other the F-106.  I *think*.

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« Reply #523 on: January 23, 2012, 03:02:19 PM »
How about that red tails movie?

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« Reply #524 on: January 23, 2012, 03:57:24 PM »
How about that red tails movie?

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