the next a/c for Asces High is ...

[moot]

Perhaps Winkle meant it cut through the air like a knife edge?

I don't think so.  He clearly says he's describing the envelope.  I could be wrong but I don't think so.

[Krusty]

Moot, you could read that to say it's balanced on a knife and could dip a wing at the drop of a hat or slide sideways without proper rudder...

It's possible he could mean any number of things, other than our particular use of the phrase "knife fighting"..

[moot]

I never read it as ref to knife fighting.. First one's my impression too yep.  It fits with everything else- dangerously flaky flaws and overall character, fixed or at least band-aided but apparently (from his impression) still there if you tempt the plane enough.

[Tyrannis]

105mm sherman. 

[LLv34_Dictonius]

I would like to see the Yak-1b and Yak-7b added when they re-do the Yakovlev series, they would be great for pre 1943 GPW events, give us the Pe-2 or Tu-2 soon 

I was about to say the same

[PJ_Godzilla]

I never read it as ref to knife fighting.. First one's my impression too yep.  It fits with everything else- dangerously flaky flaws and overall character, fixed or at least band-aided but apparently (from his impression) still there if you tempt the plane enough.

This would square with its basis; the Me210, from which it was derived. The 210 was known for a number of handling issues - apparently adequately remedied on the 410.
I'll culll from wiki here but there are doubtless better sources.
<snippety snappity doo>
The first prototype flew with DB 601B engines in September 1939, and was considered unsafe by test pilots. Stability was bad in turns, and it tended to "snake" even while flying level. At first the designers concentrated on the twin-rudder arrangement that had been taken from the 110, and replaced it with a new and much larger single vertical stabilizer. However, this had almost no effect, and the plane continued to oscillate. The Me 210 also suffered from terrible stalls. With the nose up or in a turn, the stalls whipped into spins when the automatic leading edge slats opened. The second prototype, Me 210 V2, was lost this way in September 1940, when the pilot could not get out of the resulting spin and had to jump. The chief test pilot commented that the Me 210 had "all the least desirable attributes an aeroplane could possess." It took 16 prototypes and 94 pre-production examples to try and resolve the many problems.

[BnZs]

 The game needs a faster, allied late war ride,

P-51D? P-47M? La7? Yak9U?

to deal with some of the Luft rides that are dominating the main arenas.

??? Come on Bruv, do you have the sarcasm box checked and I'm just missing it here?

I must say, if all I hear about the Yak3 *IS* more than just hype, then I would like to see it either left out or perked about the same price as a Tempest. Because the last thing the LW MA needs is a plane with P-51 speed and Spit maneuverability.

[Bruv119]

how many did I get? 

thats at least three   

[tmetal]

Better real that catch in before they get off the hook, bruv.

[moot]

This would square with its basis; the Me210, from which it was derived. The 210 was known for a number of handling issues - apparently adequately remedied on the 410.
I'll culll from wiki here but there are doubtless better sources.
<snippety snappity doo>
The first prototype flew with DB 601B engines in September 1939, and was considered unsafe by test pilots. Stability was bad in turns, and it tended to "snake" even while flying level. At first the designers concentrated on the twin-rudder arrangement that had been taken from the 110, and replaced it with a new and much larger single vertical stabilizer. However, this had almost no effect, and the plane continued to oscillate. The Me 210 also suffered from terrible stalls. With the nose up or in a turn, the stalls whipped into spins when the automatic leading edge slats opened. The second prototype, Me 210 V2, was lost this way in September 1940, when the pilot could not get out of the resulting spin and had to jump. The chief test pilot commented that the Me 210 had "all the least desirable attributes an aeroplane could possess." It took 16 prototypes and 94 pre-production examples to try and resolve the many problems.

Yep and there's more detailed list of gremlins in IIRC one of Messerschmitt's memoirs in exact technical jargon. Also apparently many corrections in that piece of literature and others.. e.g. the exact timeline of the testing regime.  As usual one or a few people say something inaccurate and it gets repeated and amplified in later books.  But overall yep that's the gist of it..

[FiLtH]

 We still need the he111 for BoB, some japanese planes, an early war raf buff, but after that Id like to see the fleets updated as mentioned in many threads. Maybe some rethought to strat stuff.

[BnZs]

Hey, very simple idea here...

The WWII set if not "complete", is very, very, very full at least. There are holes yes, but not gaping ones. Most of the planes that could conceivably be added to it now would be snapshot/scenario specialists, not really popular rides in any of the MAs.

The WWI set, is by comparison, ALL holes. France, one of the major combatants, is not represented by a single plane. And it is guaranteed that such additions as the Spad or the Se5 would see heavy daily use on their own merit in the WWI MA. Furthermore, with a few more planes, we could actually stage WWI AvA/scenario setups.

[W7LPNRICK]

I don't think so.  He clearly says he's describing the envelope.  I could be wrong but I don't think so.

I wasn't arguing, because I definitely don't know, just adding food for thought. I guess he didn't elaborate? 

[moot]

Yep not arguing either. Just seems to me that's clearly what he meant.. I'm all ears for evidence it means something else.
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[Krusty]

The one major benefit the 410 would have in AH's MAs is the rear guns.

As useless as the 110G, you say? I say nay! er.. I say "no"!

110Gs in-game are quite easy to take out from behind by simply staying level or below their tail gun. Whereas in the real thing it could pivot a bit more than what we have now, I believe, this one is rather rigid.

Enter the 410, and all of a sudden it can shoot down as well as up and around. With the exception of the cutoff switch so you don't shoot your own h-stabs off, it has a very large cone of fire. It's not the best for angles, no doubt, and it's not the best for most planes... but if you absolutely can't do anything to shake the guy chasing you down, then at least you can shoot him while you run.

And landing hits with 2x 13mm MGs is a lot more powerful than 2x 7mm MGs.


For MA purposes it would give a serious sting to this plane. Although I'd be far more interested in the forward armaments, I still think those barbettes would be cool. We've got them on the B-29s so it's not much of a stretch to modify that code for the 410.