Mac OX XV !!!

[Vulcan]

yeah cus Ive never seen PCs kernel panic, and have upgrade issues, and develop hardware faults. just imagine that!

and no PC people hear deny bsod's occur. So what is your point exactly other than the standard apple fallback of "well pc's do it!" when... once again... cornered with the cold hard trust.

[gyrene81]

i dunno man...i have win7 enterprise 64bit on my gaming system and haven't had a single bsod since i installed it last year... 

my work laptop had the 32bit version and i had 10 bsods in 6 months...now it's flying along with the 64bit version...see how it goes.

[Vulcan]

i dunno man...i have win7 enterprise 64bit on my gaming system and haven't had a single bsod since i installed it last year...  

my work laptop had the 32bit version and i had 10 bsods in 6 months...now it's flying along with the 64bit version...see how it goes.

Same, XP used to be very stable for me as well (still is I dual boot my gaming rig into it for the old Nvidia Stereo 3D driver support). That said I see others with BSOD's occasionally so whether it's the OS or bad memory... whatever, I'm happy to admit Windows is not perfect. I just find it amusing that apple fans will argue how stable OS X is until you point out that there are issues then they revert to the "but PC's BSOD!" stuff

What really grinds me is apple users who have problems then will blame everything around them but their system. The DNS issue with Safari in Snow Leopard was a good example, for some wierd reason it would just not talk to some DNS servers, we had machines that would talk to Unix DNS but not MS, others that would talk to MS but not Apples own DNS, and the wierd problem was it seemed to be isolated to Safari (throw firefox on and it worked fine). We had to demonstrate to each user the problem and show safari vs firefox to prove it was a apple related issue.

Then to top it off we had a training environment that had a bunch of brand new imac's have the issue. A trainer went off his nut at me over it, blaming our network for everything including the demise of the roman empire. Ironically the first use for this training setup had been for one of my network classes, but we bootcamped the machines into Windows (the course required VM plus AD functionality on the trainee machines) and we never had a problem.

So we sat down with the Apple trainer, booted the machine, tried a website in Safari... it failed to get there. Booted into Win 7... surfed no problems (ie same hardware different OS). Repeated on 3 machines. Then ran Firefox and showed no problems on OS X on 3 machines. Because the training lab was isolated from the corporate network the DNS was external pointing to the ISP (so some sort of Unix DNS box) they couldn't blame microsoft for this one  . He apologised in the end, which was nice, but the crap I got thrown at me by him and his bosses until I proved beyond all reasonable doubt it was an apple problem was massive.

So in case some of you wonder why I'm somewhat apple misaligned... this is one of the many examples why.

[Yossarian]

gotta use it for more than just checking your email and surfing the web... 

fact is mac's are not immune to the same problems people condemn pc's for...the problems are just easier to ignore

Macs do have problems - only a retarded fanboi would deny that.  But I find Macs far easier to deal with than I have ever found Windows - teh interwebs, music, games (those which work on macs, that is), random programs which do helpful things off the internet, just generally screwing around, backing it up, using wireless, connecting to the internet - all of those things I enjoy FAR more on the Mac than the PC.  And then there's the ever present factor that the OS and the hardware are done by the same company, which saves immense amounts of time when it comes to dealing with warranties, working out if X program will work, or just getting repairs done.

[RTHolmes]

its strange how problems with OSX seem to effect people who dont actually own, use and administer Macs much more than those that do 

must be some kind of halo effect.

[2bighorn]

Mac = Prius, fashionable but overpriced, doesn't break if you're not using it, for iEgo, there's a Lexus badge too
PC = Pickup/SUV, versatile, breaks on occasion
Linux = from tiny scooter, off-road 4x4, to pure muscle, basically whatever you want it be, do-it-yourself-fix-it-yourself

[MrRiplEy[H]]

come on ripley...apple innovation? do you believe al gore invented the internet too?

i can tell you're fairly new to the apple world...few people remember the old days of apple before the switch to intel hardware platforms and the shiny new osx...apples days of "innovation" passed when they switched to the intel hardware platforms...as of right now, they aren't doing anything differently than microsoft, and people have been smack talking microsoft for more than a decade...buy out a technology or license it...incorporate it into the os or package it up with an application bundle the slap the apple logo on it...

first generation of g5's had a bad back plane capacitor that caused the mobos to fail...first generation of intel systems had 3 known hardware bugs that hit about 25% (that's from an apple hardware engineer) of the units from the first run, and apple front line technical support would not acknowledge the problems as existing from the factory...i'm not even going to delve into the myriad compatibility issues of the earlier systems...

osx 10.0 had as many bugs as windows vista...so did os 10.3...the most stable os for mac so far has been 10.5 snow leopard...5 full operating system versions (not just patches and upgrades) since 2002 versus 3 for microsoft since 2001...

apple systems have their uses...for high end graphics, a pc, even a very high end unit can't hold a candle...but that's about it.

The early days of Mac introduced a graphical UI when PC was stuck in DOS prompt. As of now despite Intel hardware they're doing everything different from Microsoft. They're optimized for specific hardware. The OS is totally different, better I may add. They went for thunderbolt. They invented the tablet boom. They invented the app store. They did the app store right (Google / MS mobile devices are riddled with malware already) so double fail for followers. They reinvented the smart phone with iPhone - smart phones were clunky and fail prone when Nokia was still king with the communicator. I know, I had a few. They integrated everything to an easy to use convenient package with a pricetag. Some can't afford it - too bad for them.

So you point at apple for a fault that hit every Intel fab PC's included? Very observant Or are you saying now that Apple is still doing it different from PC makers despite being Intel? 

Oh gee did some G5's have a bad capacitor? So you're saying no PC maker ever had defects in their production runs? I thought whole production lines went to the crapper multitude of times in recent history. Forgot about Sandy Bridge already? Oh that was surely Apples fault too! Dam Steve Jobs! I had 20 Toshiba laptops die within 6 months from the same batch, surely there was a small Apple logo somewhere? Now that you mentioned, surely there were tiny little Apple logos in those 3 motherboards that were replaced to my Centrino2 duo laptop before dumping it for Macs! If I only knew... But somehow hardware/software related failures dropped by 90% when we switched to this faulty crap called Apple.

So OSX had claimedly as many faults as Vista. But the faults obviously were not nearly as serious since everyone loves OSX and at the same time hates Vista. Could that have something to do with *gasp* hardware? Vista sucked because the drivers were broken for years. Still are for some part. Vistas downfall was the wide selection of hardware available (that didn't work). Well, counter-intuitive UI changed for no reason didn't help people like it either. Or UAC breaking the few remaining apps that would manage to boot up

Or the 20 000 new malware variant/viruses written daily for windows platform. Or product activation bug that killed thousands of Vista boxes. Or service packs that rendered thousands of computers unbootable. Or the mindboggling array of problems that are not possible to even list here.

[gyrene81]

its strange how problems with OSX seem to effect people who dont actually own, use and administer Macs much more than those that do 

must be some kind of halo effect.

what amazes me is the blindness all the new mac users have to fact that it hasn't been as perfect as they want to make everyone believe...and why is that those who own, use and administer macs can't fix their own carp?

i'm willing to bet most of you mac fanboiz on this discussion never owned or used an apple product until osx...otherwise there would be a closer view of reality.

ripley, give it up...i was working with and fixing apple/mac issues long before you discovered the thrill of osx...i've seen the myriad problems apple has caused over the years with their zero backward compatibility policies...and the only reason people like yourself are sudden fanboiz is because apple did the smart thing and got rid of their proprietary hardware platforms to adopt the pc market hardware platform...

microsoft just makes a better target since it's everywhere...

[MrRiplEy[H]]

ripley, give it up...i was working with and fixing apple/mac issues long before you discovered the thrill of osx...i've seen the myriad problems apple has caused over the years with their zero backward compatibility policies...

Too bad for you. I'm sure every Toyota repairman hates Toyota too because they see nothing but broken Toyotas all day long! Man every friggin Toyota they work on is broken go figure! lol!

Dumping backwards compatibility is what Microsoft should have done too, now they will carry an eternal weight of CRAP starting from security issues still found and exploited in 16-bit codebase.

[RTHolmes]

microsoft just makes a better target since it's everywhere...

nah MS make a good target because their product is pants. always has been.



edit: best thing about the iPhobes is you dont even need to dangle a baited hook to get them ranting and raging, you just say "Apple!" and retire to a safe distance.

[Yossarian]

what amazes me is the blindness all the new mac users have to fact that it hasn't been as perfect as they want to make everyone believe...and why is that those who own, use and administer macs can't fix their own carp?

I never said it was perfect, and I never thought it was either.  But I do think it's very good for me, and very good at what it does.

i'm willing to bet most of you mac fanboiz on this discussion never owned or used an apple product until osx...otherwise there would be a closer view of reality.

This is a bogus argument.  Windows Vista sucks IMO.  Windows 98 was primitive IMO.  Am I going to judge Windows on the basis of Vista or 98?  No.  I'll judge it on the merits of it's latest form (7), since to do anything else would be stupid.

[gyrene81]

This is a bogus argument.  Windows Vista sucks IMO.  Windows 98 was primitive IMO.  Am I going to judge Windows on the basis of Vista or 98?  No.  I'll judge it on the merits of it's latest form (7), since to do anything else would be stupid.

you ever work with system5, system6, system7, os8 or os9? primitive, sucked rocks, buggy...etc...etc...etc... during the powerpc era, each os upgrade had to be done in exact sequence it was released...couldn't go from 8.2.1 to 8.5.2 without all the junk in between being installed first...

apple has done a very good job of finding ways to do things better...after the pc market fails to find marketable working solutions.

Dumping backwards compatibility is what Microsoft should have done too, now they will carry an eternal weight of CRAP starting from security issues still found and exploited in 16-bit codebase.

i agree ripley...but consider the worldwide effect of doing that...pc to mac distribution world wide is something like 10 to 1 (more?)...think of the impact of doing what apple has done with every iteration of their os...if they had started with win95 and did away with the 16bit sublayer...it may have made a difference.

[saggs]

I feel about Mac PC Linux whaterver kind of like these guys;

My Blackberry isn't Working.

 

[Vulcan]

Or the 20 000 new malware variant/viruses written daily for windows platform. Or product activation bug that killed thousands of Vista boxes. Or service packs that rendered thousands of computers unbootable. Or the mindboggling array of problems that are not possible to even list here.

Lots of problem potentially because for every Mac there are at least 20 PC's out there?

And it doesn't matter how much malware exists, all it takes is one

And if we're gonna do a "back in the days" thing let me point to OS/2 and Amiga Workbench which at the time ran rings around the MAC OS of the era, and OS X has drawn on a lot of their features (and X-Windows features). So I stick by my original comment in that apple are not innovative, they're just good at marketing.

But take a look at this thread, you've gone from "it just works" to justifying problems on the mac by saying the pc has problems too - which is far enough - by do you really stick by the "it just works" statement now?

[Yossarian]

And it doesn't matter how much malware exists, all it takes is one

And yet, with the vastly increasing numbers of Macs being used, there is yet to be a credible threat to them.  I don't have the slightest clue about the relative security of the Mac OS vs the Windows OS, but I'm pretty certain that if there were a way to kill off Macs in large numbers, some ultra melon hacker out there would have found it and done it, if for no other reason than reaching new levels of ultra melontery/increasing e-peen size.

And if we're gonna do a "back in the days" thing let me point to OS/2 and Amiga Workbench which at the time ran rings around the MAC OS of the era, and OS X has drawn on a lot of their features (and X-Windows features). So I stick by my original comment in that apple are not innovative, they're just good at marketing.

Again, I won't pretend to know anything about the technical side of the various OS's (wth is the plural of that anyway?), but I have a hard time believing that the iPad and iPhone and general Mac products aren't in some way innovative.  Just look at them - they came out before their future competitors had produced anything (AFAIK), and they completely dominated the playing field.

But take a look at this thread, you've gone from "it just works" to justifying problems on the mac by saying the pc has problems too - which is far enough - by do you really stick by the "it just works" statement now?

Never underestimate the appeal of 'it just works'.  When I use a computer, I (generally) know what things I want to do with it, and just working is usually #1 on that list