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Offline gyrene81

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2011, 01:09:22 PM »
And yet, with the vastly increasing numbers of Macs being used, there is yet to be a credible threat to them.  I don't have the slightest clue about the relative security of the Mac OS vs the Windows OS, but I'm pretty certain that if there were a way to kill off Macs in large numbers, some ultra melon hacker out there would have found it and done it, if for no other reason than reaching new levels of ultra melontery/increasing e-peen size.
in mac os versions prior to osx there were few remote security holes...most threats came from using infected floppy disks...in osx there are remote vulnerabilities but they are more difficult to execute...not worth the trouble. apple has done a good job of securing the os, no doubt about it.


Again, I won't pretend to know anything about the technical side of the various OS's (wth is the plural of that anyway?), but I have a hard time believing that the iPad and iPhone and general Mac products aren't in some way innovative.  Just look at them - they came out before their future competitors had produced anything (AFAIK), and they completely dominated the playing field.
actually palm os, windows ce/mobile, blacberry and kindle were innovations...iphone and ipad is just a result of porting osx to a mobile device platform...
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2011, 02:32:05 PM »
question for anyone who owns a mac and likes OSX, and has used Win7: what do you think of Win7 from a interface/useability pov?

Ive had literally an hour on it so far, just basic stuff. had to do some setup and thought the new Control Panel was confusing at best. other than that didnt have a chance to play around with it much. eg:
Are shortcuts and menu items consistent and intuitive across OS and Apps?
Do drag'n'drop, text services etc work properly across OS and Apps?
How about startup/wake from sleep/App startup/alt-tabbing/opening folders etc. speeds/responsiveness? (ideally on a dual-boot machine)

I've already heard plenty from XP users about Win7, just wanted some views from the other side :)



(not any kind of trolling here, I'm genuinely interested. just dont really have the time or headspace to evaluate it myself yet.)
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2011, 03:26:45 PM »
in mac os versions prior to osx there were few remote security holes...most threats came from using infected floppy disks...in osx there are remote vulnerabilities but they are more difficult to execute...not worth the trouble. apple has done a good job of securing the os, no doubt about it.

actually palm os, windows ce/mobile, blacberry and kindle were innovations...iphone and ipad is just a result of porting osx to a mobile device platform...

Well you can't deny that it was a very successful port (but I think iOS is different from OS X, but I may be wrong...).
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2011, 03:29:02 PM »
lol holmes...i'm probably going to regret saying this but...  :uhoh ...i believe ripley could give you a fairly impartial assessment.


Are shortcuts and menu items consistent and intuitive across OS and Apps?
not sure what "intuitive" means but...there has always been some consistency with shortcuts and menus within the apps...the os menus have obviously changed...uac has made things a bit more of a headache, and security can be a real pain to deal with...the built administrator account can actually be denied full access to some things.

Do drag'n'drop, text services etc work properly across OS and Apps?
properly? yes...as well as osx implementations? no

How about startup/wake from sleep/App startup/alt-tabbing/opening folders etc. speeds/responsiveness? (ideally on a dual-boot machine)
sleep and hibernate functions work better than past implementations but i don't believe they are yet even close to the mac osx implementation.
app startup/alt-tabbing/opening folders is extremely fast...but those functions are generally dependent on hardware and running foreground processes just like just like any operating system...obviously those functions aren't going to respond as well on a system with minimum hardware specs as they would on one that is built for high performance...a bit of a loaded question really.
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2011, 03:37:34 PM »
Well you can't deny that it was a very successful port (but I think iOS is different from OS X, but I may be wrong...).
ya, no denying it is the most successful porting...going to be a battle between ios and android for the long term...

it's my understanding that ios was derived from osx using the core and building on that with different sublayers for mobile touch devices...
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2011, 04:01:50 PM »
...obviously those functions aren't going to respond as well on a system with minimum hardware specs as they would on one that is built for high performance...a bit of a loaded question really.

(ideally on a dual-boot machine)

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2011, 04:09:38 PM »
And yet, with the vastly increasing numbers of Macs being used, there is yet to be a credible threat to them.  I don't have the slightest clue about the relative security of the Mac OS vs the Windows OS, but I'm pretty certain that if there were a way to kill off Macs in large numbers, some ultra melon hacker out there would have found it and done it, if for no other reason than reaching new levels of ultra melontery/increasing e-peen size.

There are bot'd mac's out there. So the point is moot, there is a credible threat. It's worth noting Safari is also considered one of the most insecure browsers around and has often been the vector of 'hacks'. Remember hacking these days is extremely profit orientated, so most attacks are focussed on financial returns. While iOS devices will be of increasing interested OS X devices haven't grown significantly enough in market share to be attractive to attackers.

Most threats these days come in on socially engineered vectors, very few come via a true virus or worm. And 'social engineering' is platform independent :)  . The difference is most handsomehunk users on Windows have a backstop, usually some sort of AV (which often includes  more than just AV but antiphishing functionality and other stuff), whereas the average handsomehunk user on OS X doesn't have this stuff (and safari was especially slow getting any antiphishing functionality). For me, security is about redundancy and layers, I never trust one particular 'feature' for all my security because somewhere there will always be some handsomehunk who turns it off/tries to bypass it :)

And fwiw I'm not a windows fanboy, I think XP was OK, Vista sucked, I do like Win 7. I've used OS's like CPM, many flavours of DOS, GEOS, Amiga Workbench in all it's flavours, whatever Atari ST's used, OS/2 Warp, GEM, X-Windows once or twice, and so on.

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #67 on: March 06, 2011, 04:11:32 PM »
Well you can't deny that it was a very successful port (but I think iOS is different from OS X, but I may be wrong...).

iOS is a dumbed down version of OS X. Ironically I expect to see iOS ported the other way in the near future ;)

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #68 on: March 06, 2011, 05:10:23 PM »
wow there really is alot of uninformed nonsense being posted in this topic. :O
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #69 on: March 06, 2011, 05:49:19 PM »
There are bot'd mac's out there. So the point is moot, there is a credible threat.

If you don't play with pirated Mac software it's still like standing in the middle of a busy highway worrying nothing but the chance of getting a meteor hit to your head. Highway/cars naturally standing for windows viruses and the meteorite direct hit representing the chance of running into osx malware.

Snow leopard includes a built in malware filter that defends against the commonly known few variants already, even though its not spoken in public.
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« Reply #70 on: March 06, 2011, 05:51:05 PM »
wow there really is alot of uninformed nonsense being posted in this topic. :O

Hey look a vague unspecific comment thrown to the wind! Let me guess... you're a mac user?  :devil

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #71 on: March 06, 2011, 05:56:59 PM »
If you don't play with pirated Mac software it's still like standing in the middle of a busy highway worrying nothing but the chance of getting a meteor hit to your head. Highway/cars naturally standing for windows viruses and the meteorite direct hit representing the chance of running into osx malware.

Snow leopard includes a built in malware filter that defends against the commonly known few variants already, even though its not spoken in public.

Nah not really. More like no AV on Windows is like playing russian roulette with a 2 shot revolver, whereas on OS X it's like a 20 shot revolver.

The malware vectors are not just pirated stuff, there's also the "educational video" codec one, and a few email vectors. Plus there's been some platform independent java stuff kicking around... and HTML5 will be - interesting  :) (well actually it's already getting interesting).

The snow leopard protection has no automatic updates, and doesn't pick up variants of the known stuff (ie no heuristics). So you have malware protection built into the OS "that doesn't need malware protection", but it's meek protection at best.

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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #72 on: March 06, 2011, 07:10:48 PM »
Hey look a vague unspecific comment thrown to the wind! Let me guess... you're a mac user?  :devil

yup, and a mac admin.
and a win user and admin.
and a *nix user and admin.

so I guess that makes me a mac fanboi.
and a win fanboi.
and a *nix fanboi.

and probably a mac hater.
and a win hater.
and a *nix hater.

but hang on ... I cant be a fanboi of all 3, by definition :headscratch: maybe I just use the right tools for the right job, because that gives me a competitive advantage.

I havent answered any specific points for a few reasons, primarily because its just a deluge of BS and I cant be bothered. tbh, unless I'm a stakeholder in some way I really dont care what OS anyone uses. :)
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Re: Mac OX XV !!!
« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2011, 06:47:23 AM »
I moved to Mac two years ago. No problems whatsoever.  I've upgraded the hardware on both my machines (obviously, I wasn't smart enough to realise that it was impossible to do this). I even have a GDI based, "Windows only" printer that I still use as as my primary printer.  Yep - Macs certainly suck.  :D
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« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2011, 07:29:14 AM »
Sssssh AKH, new policy, "The more you know,..."  :lol
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