Tail slide flip

[68ZooM]

That guy needs to learn to fly, all he does is ram people.


 

i just fly inverted in bomber formations   

[Dr_Death8]

i just fly inverted in bomber formations   

Did ya give the nme the bird and take a picture too? 

[VAMPIRE 2?]

P47 requires rudder and flaps and 109's have to be slow and dot use rudder, I'll post a film here shortly

waiting!!! 

zoom has the funniest skit I've seen in a while lol    wing tap them, "golden" 

[Krupinski]

You don't need rudder to do a tailslide in a plane w/ alot of torque. If you're slow enough at the top of a loop snap your ailerons to the left and you'll slide.. controlling it is where it gets tricky.

[VAMPIRE 2?]

You don't need rudder to do a tailslide in a plane w/ alot of torque. If you're slow enough at the top of a loop snap your ailerons to the left and you'll slide.. controlling it is where it gets tricky.

well lets get into the tricky parts!  

give a narrative video on 2 or more controlled tail slides.   btw my p-51 will do a back flip type move.  I wish I could explain it better        

[TequilaChaser]

Krup, don't you use the rudder to bring your nose back around after you have tail slid as far as you wanted?

I have always used the rudder to stop the tail slide....

use the ailerons to keep the plane from rolling /twisting with the torque...... practice makes perfect ( lots of practice )

[Lepape2]

I think I'll do a narrated video about this move... but when I have time.

P47 requires rudder and flaps and 109's have to be slow and not use rudder, I'll post a film here shortly

WRONG and WRONG...

To start the manoeuver is very simple but its behavior is quite different depending on the plane, attitude and speed (usually lower than 225mph) but the jug can do it at 275mph.
Just yank the stick lower left with right rudder and keep it there until you need to recover or aim to shoot... or crash
Why?

1- Left aileron: The right wing giving more lift, it generates more drag and therefore induces right yaw on the plane (Try it with the Ta152 and see what I mean)

2- Pitch up: Pitching up is the key here as the prop gyro precession will yaw your plane to the right on a clockwise rotating prop (Try the WW1 Camel and see what I mean)

3- Right rudder: fairly obvious, the keywords being "right yaw" is all you need to hear. You can start by a left rudder and yank it right to have some more momentum (like before drifting a turn in rallye racing)

4- you DONT need flaps to start this manoeuver. Heck I can do it in the 190 below 200mph.

As you can see, every control input will help your plane tail slide to the right against the aerodynamic forces keeping your plane stable in flight.
When you master it, you can do it with 500' of ground clearance and find more uses to it like starting a LH spin in horizontal flight, a RH hammerhead or doing a "farewell shot" to someone right behind you.

On a side note, the Bf110 (and TA152) does the same thing but with left rudder and is almost unrecoverable (Its a simple LH snap roll). RH snap rolls on the 110 are very safe however.

[FLS]

It seems that 2 different maneuvers are being discussed in this thread and both are called tail slides. What is generally called a tail slide is an aircraft going vertical until it stops and falls tail first towards the ground. For clarity and good communication I think we need a term for the other maneuver being discussed. I'd call it a stall turn but that is already used as an alternate term for a hammerhead. I personally think of the other "tail slide" as a "Lepape" but I'm open to suggestions like stall spin turn or stall yaw turn.

[Lepape2]

It seems that 2 different maneuvers are being discussed in this thread and both are called tail slides. What is generally called a tail slide is an aircraft going vertical until it stops and falls tail first towards the ground. For clarity and good communication I think we need a term for the other maneuver being discussed. I'd call it a stall turn but that is already used as an alternate term for a hammerhead. I personally think of the other "tail slide" as a "Lepape" but I'm open to suggestions like stall spin turn or stall yaw turn.

Gyro induced flat stall?
180 insta tail slide?
Farewell flat stall?
Spin of death?

No one really knows and that's why it remains so mysterious. Unless someone can point the official name for it from a worthy source we can only speculate.

[JOACH1M]

waiting!!! 

zoom has the funniest skit I've seen in a while lol    wing tap them, "golden" 

I forgot...I'll post it

I think I'll do a narrated video about this move... but when I have time.

WRONG and WRONG...

To start the manoeuver is very simple but its behavior is quite different depending on the plane, attitude and speed (usually lower than 225mph) but the jug can do it at 275mph.
Just yank the stick lower left with right rudder and keep it there until you need to recover or aim to shoot... or crash
Why?

1- Left aileron: The right wing giving more lift, it generates more drag and therefore induces right yaw on the plane (Try it with the Ta152 and see what I mean)

2- Pitch up: Pitching up is the key here as the prop gyro precession will yaw your plane to the right on a clockwise rotating prop (Try the WW1 Camel and see what I mean)

3- Right rudder: fairly obvious, the keywords being "right yaw" is all you need to hear. You can start by a left rudder and yank it right to have some more momentum (like before drifting a turn in rallye racing)

4- you DONT need flaps to start this manoeuver. Heck I can do it in the 190 below 200mph.

As you can see, every control input will help your plane tail slide to the right against the aerodynamic forces keeping your plane stable in flight.
When you master it, you can do it with 500' of ground clearance and find more uses to it like starting a LH spin in horizontal flight, a RH hammerhead or doing a "farewell shot" to someone right behind you.

On a side note, the Bf110 (and TA152) does the same thing but with left rudder and is almost unrecoverable (Its a simple LH snap roll). RH snap rolls on the 110 are very safe however.

well can't argue with you, king o all tail slides but in a k4 I don't need rudder to get it to "tail slide"

[JOACH1M]

waiting!!! 

zoom has the funniest skit I've seen in a while lol    wing tap them, "golden" 

http://www.mediafire.com/?x11iue88ygien6a. If its a k4 its the right one

[PFactorDave]

http://www.mediafire.com/?x11iue88ygien6a. If its a k4 its the right one

Spit9s

[JOACH1M]

Spit9s

Chit, watch the film it crazy

[FLS]

Lepape what you described is basically a vertical snap roll with side stick. I don't think that's what everyone else is doing and calling a tail slide. Some are actual tail slides and some are variations on stall turns. I think the OP is referring to Krupinski doing a vertical snap roll also.

[GNucks]

Chit, watch the film it crazy

That was hilarious! New mental note: Hold the trigger down when you lose important flight surfaces, you might hit someone on your way down!