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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2011, 11:04:32 AM »
Keep in mind that a heavier aircraft will fly faster for a given glide ratio but will cover the same distance.

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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2011, 11:29:54 AM »
See This Thread: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,308176.0.html (or at least the first post)

MachFly, your methodology in that set of tests has given you results that I suspect are incorrect.  


Try using the glide test methodology described in this series of web pages:  http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/182410-1.html
« Last Edit: March 12, 2011, 11:32:56 AM by Stoney »
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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2011, 03:21:42 PM »
MachFly, your methodology in that set of tests has given you results that I suspect are incorrect.  


Try using the glide test methodology described in this series of web pages:  http://www.avweb.com/news/airman/182410-1.html

I read the info on the link you posted and I can't find anything that contradicts my test. Basically it says to test it changing your airspeed not decent rate which is exactly what I did.

Maybe I missed it, could you show me where exactly it says that.
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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2011, 07:48:19 AM »
lil bump here because I noticed something relevant in the N Jug manual:

Quote from: P-47N manual
The best rate of climb is obtained at 155 mph

Quote from: P-47N manual
TIP: If you should ever have to make a
forced landing in which covering the maximum
horizontal distance is essential (such as engine
failure over water and you want to get as close
to shore as possible) , glide at 230 mph with
wheels and flaps up.

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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2011, 09:16:16 AM »
lil bump here because I noticed something relevant in the N Jug manual:

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Thing I noticed about best climb rate is that it's better to look at it as a range of speeds rather than one particular speed. The game's Autopilot Speed defaults to 175 for planes like the P-51D (which I assume is the optimum speed for climbing), but you can get a similar rate of climb with a difference of no more than 100fpm from 190 all the way down to 155. I remember testing a P-47M and all I remember is the data was almost identical, you get into your best climb performance once you pass 155 and you leave that perfomance window somewhere around 200.

It's my assumption that the manual was saying that you can start doing some serious climbing once you get your airspeed to 155.

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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2011, 09:28:16 AM »
Well as a sailplane pilot we like to call this the best l/d (lift over drag) so for my sailplane my best l/d speed is 55 mph which you dont want to do in a spit 8  :lol

So maximize lift and minimize drag.

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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2011, 09:38:29 AM »
Thing I noticed about best climb rate is that it's better to look at it as a range of speeds rather than one particular speed.

You're absolutely correct.  All of your "best" speeds change with weight.  The heavier the aircraft is, the higher the speed needs to be, both for climb and glide.  The default alt-x speed is merely the best climb speed for that aircraft in a specific configuration.  If someone was willing, it'd be interesting to see what the exact best climb speeds are at different weights.
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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2011, 09:44:11 AM »
I only mentioned it because AH consensus seems to be that best glide speed to cover the most ground = best climb speed (+/-10mph depending on who you talk to.)

this says that its 75mph above best climb speed.
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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2011, 10:27:09 AM »
I only mentioned it because AH consensus seems to be that best glide speed to cover the most ground = best climb speed (+/-10mph depending on who you talk to.)

this says that its 75mph above best climb speed.

Well, I always recommend 10-15% above the default alt-x speed, but Machfly for one, disagrees with me.  Certainly +75 mph is above 10-15%.  The reality is that the POH lists 155 for "best" climb and lists 230 for "best" glide.  Both of the speeds are weight dependent, and, although I haven't tested gross weight best glide speed, I'd expect that the 230 is close to the gross weight best glide (i.e. full fuel and ammo).  My testing with the P-47M shown above shows 180-190 range for 25% fuel condition (approx 14,000 lbs).  With the P-47N coming in at around 18,000 with full fuel and ammo, 230 seems close to what I'd expect.  A couple of factors contribute to these speeds.  Typically, manufacturers list Vspeeds at gross weight.  I guess this is viewed as "worst case".  But, regardless of what configuration they use to develop the listed speeds, those speeds are only valid for that specific configuration.  Both best climb and best glide will change with weight, and also with altitude.  The higher you fly, the faster your best climb and best glide speeds will be.  So, even for us, with the default alt-x speed being a fixed number (like 155mph), if you climb all the way up to 20,000 feet, there will be a period where, in order to absolutely minimize the time to climb, it would behoove you to adjust your speed up to 160-165mph, for example.  Or, if you're in a P-47N with max ordnance and fuel (approaching 20,000 lbs) and you want to minimize the time to climb to your desired cruise altitude, you'd probably want to climb faster than whatever the default alt-x speed is.  But, for the most part, simply using the default alt-x is the easiest, and probably doesn't penalize you too much if you're flying just above or below optimal.  Second, these POHs were developed to be used by the masses for instructional and operational guidelines.  For the USAAF to say 230mph is best glide speed, someone decided that, for whatever reason, 230mph would be the best speed to list in the POH.  Unfortunately, they don't explain to us what configuration the aircraft was in when they determined that speed.

The bottom line on this is that to be perfectly sure, you flight test both in game.  And, I can provide testing methodologies for both to get fairly precise speeds for in-game.  However, if you don't want to take the time to do the testing for yourself, just use default alt-x for best climb, and whatever other speed you want for best glide.
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Re: best glide speed
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2011, 11:20:54 AM »
I only mentioned it because AH consensus seems to be that best glide speed to cover the most ground = best climb speed (+/-10mph depending on who you talk to.)
this says that its 75mph above best climb speed.

You have to consider the condition you are gliding in. In AH you can almost feather a prop by setting min RPM, and it makes a major difference. If you have the height, you can pull up and get the prop to stop "windmilling". That is a another major improvement. Bottom line is check it with each aircraft type. The Spit autoclimb(speed) is around 160. It's best glide is around the 130 to 135 mark with the prop on Min RPM or better stopped!

I agree with MachFly on all this.