Split Early Mid Late War Arenas.... Why??

[Chilli]

Reading about why the LW Split Arena is necessary, I went back to my age old question for HTC.   What exactly were Early War and Mid War Arenas supposed to offer?

If either of these new arenas offered a popular alternative for the Late War Main Arena, a reasonable arena cap might not have become a problem. 

Other possible alternatives, Pacific Theater, European Theater, Eastern Front, Tank Town ...( no aces High). 

   Okay, after the flames die down.  I support all of those who currently have made EW and MW their homes.  I just want to ask them these questions:  What attracts you to them?  Is it plane set limits or lower numbers?  What would attract larger numbers to either?

Basically, since the latest cap change to 80%, I am thinking that, if the other 2 main arenas were to hold there share of players, Late War would not need the extra arena.

How much fun would it be for squads to rotate from Early, then Mid and finally to Late War?

[Rino]

     Spoken like someone who has never read the Rolling Planeset threads.  I'd rather skip the wailing and drama
caused by forcing someone to do something they don't want to do.

[flatiron1]

My first year was basically in the AVA, there were basically 3 main squads there, 353rd FG, JG11 and JG54. numbers were usually in the 20 to 30 range and it was very personal. It had a rolling plane set (EW<MW<LW)where the winners of that time period got a advantage in picking the next plane set. Also has some campaign setups that were fun. When the AVA  went really downhill numbers wise I tried LW and didn't really like the large crowd. Tried EW/MW and have been happy there since. Would like to see the numbers in EW more in the 20 to 50 range in though.

[Chilli]

I am not asking to force anyone to   do anything  

I am asking are there alternative arena options that would lighten the prime time Late War Main Arena's cap limits.  

What is presently causing drama?  Caps reducing arena options?  Large squads dictating the game play options?  Tactical squads reducing 1 on 1 dogfight options?  Bomber dudes shutting down hangar / field options?

I am just posing the question if we would be better off with one arena where all of these can mix (current MA), and other alternative arenas that would have mass appeal to larger numbers than currently peek outside of the Late War Arenas.

The Dueling Arena is possibly a good example.  Tactical squads could possibly have a preference to fly there (not forced to, but incentives to).

If the AI mission thing had developed, possibly that would have attracted enough bomber dudes and large squads geared at objective based game play.

WWI arena, has potential, its biggest drawbacks that I can see are the learning curve in flight characteristics and number of aircraft.

I am a huge advocate of all of the Special Events Arenas, but as long as the 2 weekers keep populating the Late war Main arenas with easy kills, HiTech is right to assume that the large percentage of his paying customers log in to the Arena with the largest number of players in it.

Flatiron,
In a round about way, I am asking for some incentives for the Late War Crowds to branch out and even out the Arenas.  I really would not like to see any arena closed (other than maybe second Late war) just expanded enough to give very unique experience in each.  To fly in an arena where numbers are low, just work nights like me, or live outside of the states.

[CAP1]

Reading about why the LW Split Arena is necessary, I went back to my age old question for HTC.   What exactly were Early War and Mid War Arenas supposed to offer?

If either of these new arenas offered a popular alternative for the Late War Main Arena, a reasonable arena cap might not have become a problem. 

Other possible alternatives, Pacific Theater, European Theater, Eastern Front, Tank Town ...( no aces High). 

   Okay, after the flames die down.  I support all of those who currently have made EW and MW their homes.  I just want to ask them these questions:  What attracts you to them?  Is it plane set limits or lower numbers?  What would attract larger numbers to either?

Basically, since the latest cap change to 80%, I am thinking that, if the other 2 main arenas were to hold there share of players, Late War would not need the extra arena.

How much fun would it be for squads to rotate from Early, then Mid and finally to Late War?

the early war and mid war arenas offer us a place to fight like aircraft, without having tiffies, runstangs, run90's, etc. doin what they do.

[CAP1]

I am not asking to force anyone to   do anything  

I am asking are there alternative arena options that would lighten the prime time Late War Main Arena's cap limits.  

What is presently causing drama?  Caps reducing arena options?  Large squads dictating the game play options?  Tactical squads reducing 1 on 1 dogfight options?  Bomber dudes shutting down hangar / field options?

I am just posing the question if we would be better off with one arena where all of these can mix (current MA), and other alternative arenas that would have mass appeal to larger numbers than currently peek outside of the Late War Arenas.

The Dueling Arena is possibly a good example.  Tactical squads could possibly have a preference to fly there (not forced to, but incentives to).

If the AI mission thing had developed, possibly that would have attracted enough bomber dudes and large squads geared at objective based game play.

WWI arena, has potential, its biggest drawbacks that I can see are the learning curve in flight characteristics and number of aircraft.

I am a huge advocate of all of the Special Events Arenas, but as long as the 2 weekers keep populating the Late war Main arenas with easy kills, HiTech is right to assume that the large percentage of his paying customers log in to the Arena with the largest number of players in it.

Flatiron,
In a round about way, I am asking for some incentives for the Late War Crowds to branch out and even out the Arenas.  I really would not like to see any arena closed (other than maybe second Late war) just expanded enough to give very unique experience in each.  To fly in an arena where numbers are low, just work nights like me, or live outside of the states.

chilli....with or without caps, there's more options now, than there was before the split arenas.
lw1
lw2
mw
ew
sea1
sea2
sea3(i think?)
ww1


that's more than there was when i first joined. 

[Chilli]

chilli....with or without caps, there's more options now, than there was before the split arenas.
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that's more than there was when i first joined. 

Add one more cap1 

What I am asking is what do those like Flatiron, who populate the other arena options, think would encourage the numbers of players, currently playing in the Late war arenas, to shift their attention?

[CAP1]

Add one more cap1 

What I am asking is what do those like Flatiron, who populate the other arena options, think would encourage the numbers of players, currently playing in the Late war arenas, to shift their attention?

i delibretly left the AvA out/////////  otherwise, someone would think i was trying to make this an AvA promo.....DOH!! dam!!

 seriously, when i fly somewhere besides the ava, i go to midwar. generally good fights there.

 the lw players won't go there, because then trheir high end rides would cost em moew perks than they do in the lw arenas, although there are some that truly enjoy the fight......and they'll come to mw sometimes. 

[SlapShot]

I am asking are there alternative arena options that would lighten the prime time Late War Main Arena's cap limits.  

I see what your asking, and I can't think of anything that would entice died-in-the-wool LW players to come to the other arenas.

There is a large mindset that if you are not playing in the LW arenas, then you really aren't playing. They also consider players who make the other arenas their home, not as skilled as LW players ... they are somewhat of a "lesser" pilot and play in these arenas because they can't handle the "uber" sticks of the LW arenas.

[Chilli]

Okay Cap1, you just gave me an idea.  If perks awarded in EW and MW could be spent in LW, maybe we would have more interest from the LW crowd, looking to perk farm enuf points quickly to fly B29s or Me262s.  This would also mean that the perk system in both would need to be adjusted to further interest the LW players...  Countries with lower numbers will receive huge perk values for successful sorties.

Slapshot,

I am not so sure that many feel that way.  In fact, a number of early and mid war planes pwnd in the LW.  I fly the F4U 1 not even the 1A    It can hang with any uber ride you wanna throw at it.  Just yesterday, it took out one engine of a 262 and chased down a 190 A8, and La7.  I also learned how dangerous the P47D11 could be from N72 years ago in the AvA (notice my signature).

[CAP1]

Okay Cap1, you just gave me an idea.  If perks awarded in EW and MW could be spent in LW, maybe we would have more interest from the LW crowd, looking to perk farm enuf points quickly to fly B29s or Me262s.  This would also mean that the perk system in both would need to be adjusted to further interest the LW players...  Countries with lower numbers will receive huge perk values for successful sorties.

Slapshot,

I am not so sure that many feel that way.  In fact, a number of early and mid war planes pwnd in the LW.  I fly the F4U 1 not even the 1A    It can hang with any uber ride you wanna throw at it.  Just yesterday, it took out one engine of a 262 and chased down a 190 A8, and La7.  I also learned how dangerous the P47D11 could be from N72 years ago in the AvA (notice my signature).

perks earned in the ew and mw arenas can be used in lw....and some come there to farm them.

 maybe as soon as i finish up the 2 set's i';m working onm for the ava, i'll put a little more thought to helping mw, as i truly like that arena.......but i've really fallen in love with the ava since i first flew there last sept.........that's where i spend most of my time in game now.

[BaldEagl]

What if there were a small perk bonus (multiplyer) for playing in any lesser poulated arena even including the lesser populated LW arena?  What if it were based on the % difference between arena population numbers?

Somehing like this:

LWO Population 200/200 Perk bonus = 0
LWB Population 150/200 Perk bonus = 200/150 = 1.33
MW Population 110/350 Perk Bonus =  200#/110 = 1.82 (#Always based on the highest fully populated arena cap)
EW Population 50/350 = 200/50 = 2.0# (#Maximum perk modifyer)

Include all arenas where prks are awarded.

This will give the biggest incentive to the lesser skilled pilots no doubt but the key is to get bodies into these arenas.  Once some bodies are there others are sure to follow and perks are the most powerful incentive HT has to work with.  I still see people getting excited over their war winning perks.  Certainly some who currently choose the highest populated arena would instead choose to attempt to earn perks faster.

Just an idea.

[CAP1]

What if there were a small perk bonus (multiplyer) for playing in any lesser poulated arena even including the lesser populated LW arena?  What if it were based on the % difference between arena population numbers?

Somehing like this:

LWO Population 200/200 Perk bonus = 0
LWB Population 150/200 Perk bonus = 200/150 = 1.33
MW Population 110/350 Perk Bonus =  200#/110 = 1.82 (#Always based on the highest fully populated arena cap)
EW Population 50/350 = 200/50 = 2.0# (#Maximum perk modifyer)

Include all arenas where prks are awarded.

This will give the biggest incentive to the lesser skilled pilots no doubt but the key is to get bodies into these arenas.  Once some bodies are there others are sure to follow and perks are the most powerful incentive HT has to work with.  I still see people getting excited over their war winning perks.  Certainly some who currently choose the highest populated arena would instead choose to attempt to earn perks faster.

Just an idea.

if that was somethign htc could write into the programming, it might not be a half bad idea.

[Lusche]

This will give the biggest incentive to the lesser skilled pilots no doubt but the key is to get bodies into these arenas. 

If the idea is to get bodies to EW & MW, add another incentive:

Keep split score as we do have now. But make "Overall" rank for getting on frontpage based on all main arenas, WW1, EW, MW + LW.
Sure, players trying for top rank will try to do a few milkruns in the less populated arenas.. but with them come those who love to hunt milkrunners down. And quickly you have 10-20 players in an arena that had been at 0 before.
(Old players might remember... EW & MW population took a big hit after score was split in tour 93, 'cause it was not "necessary" to fly in there any more ...)

[The Fugitive]

Okay Cap1, you just gave me an idea.  If perks awarded in EW and MW could be spent in LW, maybe we would have more interest from the LW crowd, looking to perk farm enuf points quickly to fly B29s or Me262s.  This would also mean that the perk system in both would need to be adjusted to further interest the LW players...  Countries with lower numbers will receive huge perk values for successful sorties.

Slapshot,

I am not so sure that many feel that way.  In fact, a number of early and mid war planes pwnd in the LW.  I fly the F4U 1 not even the 1A    It can hang with any uber ride you wanna throw at it.  Just yesterday, it took out one engine of a 262 and chased down a 190 A8, and La7.  I also learned how dangerous the P47D11 could be from N72 years ago in the AvA (notice my signature).

Slaps right, and this is where your wrong.

Slap is talking about "people", your talking about planes. People "want" to play in LW, and DON'T want to play in the other arenas. In most cases I'm sure it's nothing more than "thats where all the other people are, so it must be the best place" type of mentality. There isn't anything that will make them "want" to change other than population. When they first split the arenas into the EW, MW, and LW they were listed in that order on the login screen. For the first week or 2 EW was the most popular arena we had, never saw sooooo many P40s    Once people figured out that you had a choice you could make they went LW and never looked back.

LW has the "uber" planes, it's thought that it has the "uber" sticks, and after all it's where the "kool" people play. Your not going to change any of that.