HiTech doesn't have to do this.

[gyrene81]

Excuse me how is it poop again? If the arena is capped youre blocked from joining the same arena with the others and left with the option to a) play alone and b) play on an arena thats practically empty

You do understand that the problem hits mainly the people whose prime time occurs when lwoh splits? You may never experience it on your timezone so youre in false perception of the situatiion. Give it 2-4 hours after the split and both arenas have a fight rolling again. The dead zone just hits euro players.

So how is it poop? whats your magical solution to join the squad and have both arenas filled with playable numbers? I know i gave mine already.

you assume i've never gotten caught by the arena cap issue...stop assuming.

my squad isn't beyond jumping out of the capped arena to join me in the other one...and i'm not beyond jumping in the low population arena for a while until my squad mates in the capped arena tells me that there are openings for me to jump into...

do whatever you want to justify the childish rants in your own mind...i'm an adult and i place the significance of events in a video game into proper perspective...i make my own fun and a truly minor inconvenience in a video game has far less impact on my life than any number of real life occurrences that are more important. for $15 a month unlimited access whenever i want, i'm adult enough to tolerate some inconveniences.

[Ack-Ack]

Excuse me how is it poop again? If the arena is capped youre blocked from joining the same arena with the others and left with the option to a) play alone and b) play on an arena thats practically empty

You sure like to use hyperboles a lot.  Other than the EW and MW arenas, which ones are practically empty when you can't get into Orange?  It certainly isn't Blue arena as that one is almost as populated and sometimes (depending on the map) has more numbers than Orange. 

If you're going to try and present a thoughtful argument to support your position, don't use hyperboles to try and prove your point.

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[Lusche]

You do understand that the problem hits mainly the people whose prime time occurs when lwoh splits? You may never experience it on your timezone so youre in false perception of the situatiion. Give it 2-4 hours after the split and both arenas have a fight rolling again. The dead zone just hits euro players.

To say this is an exaggeration would almost be an understatement.

Empty arena that needs 2-4 hours until the fight gets rolling? Yes, we had this... on weekdays after the cap kicked in... before the offhours/peak arena system was implemented. Since then? Absolutely not. You are starting to make things up... which doesn't help your cause at all.


Not liking the caps myself at all , I should be sympathetic to your crusade ... but by looking at all your recent posts about that topic I have the feeling your just digging yourself a hole deeper and deeper...

[5PointOh]

Lets put this in a perspective I think many of you can grasp.  

(For Scenario purposes smoking is not harmful for you health)

You and your significant other are out at a restaurant. You walk in and request a booth verse the a table. The hostess tells you "It will be 20min before a seat is available in the non smoking section. But I can seat you in the smoking section right now." You now have three choices:  1) Wait for your seat 2) Sit in the smoking section and be served immediately 3) Go somewhere else that may not be a high quality establishment.

So far, most of BBS post have been choice 4) Complain to the owner that the seats were not ready for them. Basically the "Me Me Me Me" types.  

Perhaps instead of being the "Me Me Me" types you could make a logical, non emotional post, that will help the issue (not that I think there is one).  

And to Dale and the crew at HTC. You guys do an amazing job at providing great entertainment, for amazing price. I can't think of many things that the price has changed in the last 5-6 years (maybe longer but that's how long I've been a happy customer.)  

[muzik]

Hitech really DOESN'T have to do what he does. Honestly guys, would any of you cancel your subs if another update never came? I wouldn't, because nothing out there comes close to AHII.

That's just it, there is nothing else out there that comes close to AH. But if Il-2 suddenly opened up some massive servers or another decent flight sim came out that chose to fill our requests, you can bet there would be an exodus. As someone already said, it's foolishness not to listen.

Nobody in this game wants to give hitech a hard time, but many of us played this game when there were no caps and considered it bliss compared to now. And NOBODY ever heard a single person declaring "there are too many people, PLEASE SPLIT THE ARENAS! IT'S TOO UNHEALTHY IN HERE. IT'S A CESSPOOL IN HERE" Oh but things are great now!

[Crash Orange]

You and your significant other are out at a restaurant.

What a silly analogy! You're comparing meatspace with cyberspace. The restaurant owner can't just snap his fingers and create room for you wherever you like. If he could, and chose not to just because he thought the customers were better off being exposed to cigarette smoke regardless of their stated preferences, a lot people would quite sensibly take offense and take their business elsewhere.

(Assuming for purposes of this discussion that the number of people playing this game rarely if ever approaches hard limits on server space, given that Titanic Tuesday seems to run fine.)

[Ack-Ack]

Nobody in this game wants to give hitech a hard time, but many of us played this game when there were no caps and considered it bliss compared to now. And NOBODY ever heard a single person declaring "there are too many people, PLEASE SPLIT THE ARENAS! IT'S TOO UNHEALTHY IN HERE. IT'S A CESSPOOL IN HERE" Oh but things are great now!

Did you even play AH before the split?  Unless you used a different CPID, you didn't start playing until Tour 122 in March of 2010.

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[muzik]

Did you even play AH before the split?  Unless you used a different CPID, you didn't start playing until Tour 122 in March of 2010.

ack-ack

Um yes I did. I been playing off and on since  no later than 2002

[SmokinLoon]

Every dime I have is  invested in this company along with a lot of other peoples.

HiTech

Most people have no clue just how far you (and the others) have stuck your neck out in doing so.  I hope you feel AH has been worth it, to a great many of us it has been.  I've just begun my 4th year of subscribing.

I still think you should enlist a horde of local college programming students to code aircraft and gv re-models, make new skins, make new maps, and do "coading" otherwise able to be performed by the less experienced.      

[Ack-Ack]

Um yes I did. I been playing off and on since  no later than 2002

Just wondered because MUZIK doesn't show up until Tour 122.

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[VonMessa]

Most people have no clue just how far you (and the others) have stuck your neck out in doing so.  I hope you feel AH has been worth it, to a great many of us it has been.  I've just begun my 4th year of subscribing.

I still think you should enlist a horde of local college programming students to code aircraft and gv re-models, make new skins, make new maps, and do "coading" otherwise able to be performed by the less experienced.      

Internship

Free slave labor

[5PointOh]

What a silly analogy! You're comparing meatspace with cyberspace. The restaurant owner can't just snap his fingers and create room for you wherever you like. If he could, and chose not to just because he thought the customers were better off being exposed to cigarette smoke regardless of their stated preferences, a lot people would quite sensibly take offense and take their business elsewhere.

(Assuming for purposes of this discussion that the number of people playing this game rarely if ever approaches hard limits on server space, given that Titanic Tuesday seems to run fine.)

I think you missed the point, it was a little obscure, but I thought most would get the point. 

[EskimoJoe]

I think you missed the point, it was a little obscure, but I thought most would get the point. 

I did 5.Oh, and I find myself in agreement. It was a good analogy IMHO.

[Crash Orange]

I think you missed the point,

I got the point just fine. It was a silly point. You're comparing completely different situations: in one, the fact being complained of - there aren't any empty tables in the nonsmoking section at the moment - is entirely beyond the control of the manager, so making a fuss about it is pointless and juvenile; in the other - arena caps - the situation is not only 100% under the control of the manager, it is wholly the creation of the manager, so complaining about it is perfectly rational.

If the restaurant manager had plenty of empty seats (and accompanying waitstaff) in both sections he could make available at any time he chose, but simply chose not to because he felt it was better for the customer to be forced to wait even when there's no need, your analogy might make some sense in this context. But that would make the restaurant owner look a little less reasonable and the complaining customer a lot more reasonable, wouldn't it? But that's exactly what's going on here - there's no staffing or server limitation that makes caps necessary, there's no shortage of space in any arena, letting ten more people into Orange wouldn't require hiring more employees or knocking down a wall or kicking out anyone who was already there. Unlike people demanding to get into a full restaurant section, people who want to enter Orange aren't asking to go ahead of anyone in line or take the table of someone already there, they aren't asking to be given special privileges. I've never seen a single poster ask or demand that the arena caps be made inapplicable to him and only him regardless of the rules for others.

(There's also the nontrivial distinction that smoking/nonsmoking is a matter of health and law while arena caps aren't. And I recognize that Hitech isn't doing this on a whim just to annoy players, he feels it is necessary to maintain a correct environment. I just disigree vehemently that the cap system as it exists serves that purpose adequately and with as little annoyance as possible.)

Comparisons to mommies, kids, and dessert are just as silly. The customers of HTC are not dependent children begging for freebies, with parents who make decisions for them because they aren't competent to make those decisions themselves, they are adults and paying customers who expect the folks whose livelihood they are providing to provide satisfactory service in return. The kids whining for dessert aren't the ones who put dinner on the table. HTC's customers are. The game wouldn't last a day longer without their paid subscriptions than it would without Hitech, Skuzzy, and the rest of the HTC staff. Fortunately I think the latter understand this perfectly well even if some folks posting here don't seem to.

So yes, I am grateful for the work Hitech and the gang have put into giving us this game; I enjoy it greatly and I can honestly say it has enriched my life and introduced me to some great friends. In general I think they've done a bang-up job and created something that is at least as much a work of art as a business model.    But still, it is a pay service, and that makes me (and everyone else here) a customer of their business, not a child, begger, social guest, or other beneficiary of charity, and that changes the rules - especially with regard to complaints and suggestions.

[VonMessa]

I got the point just fine. It was a silly point. You're comparing completely different situations: in one, the fact being complained of - there aren't any empty tables in the nonsmoking section at the moment - is entirely beyond the control of the manager, so making a fuss about it is pointless and juvenile; in the other - arena caps - the situation is not only 100% under the control of the manager, it is wholly the creation of the manager, so complaining about it is perfectly rational.

If the restaurant manager had plenty of empty seats (and accompanying waitstaff) in both sections he could make available at any time he chose, but simply chose not to because he felt it was better for the customer to be forced to wait even when there's no need, your analogy might make some sense in this context. But that would make the restaurant owner look a little less reasonable and the complaining customer a lot more reasonable, wouldn't it? But that's exactly what's going on here - there's no staffing or server limitation that makes caps necessary, there's no shortage of space in any arena, letting ten more people into Orange wouldn't require hiring more employees or knocking down a wall or kicking out anyone who was already there. Unlike people demanding to get into a full restaurant section, people who want to enter Orange aren't asking to go ahead of anyone in line or take the table of someone already there, they aren't asking to be given special privileges. I've never seen a single poster ask or demand that the arena caps be made inapplicable to him and only him regardless of the rules for others.

(There's also the nontrivial distinction that smoking/nonsmoking is a matter of health and law while arena caps aren't. And I recognize that Hitech isn't doing this on a whim just to annoy players, he feels it is necessary to maintain a correct environment. I just disigree vehemently that the cap system as it exists serves that purpose adequately and with as little annoyance as possible.)

Comparisons to mommies, kids, and dessert are just as silly. The customers of HTC are not dependent children begging for freebies, with parents who make decisions for them because they aren't competent to make those decisions themselves, they are adults and paying customers who expect the folks whose livelihood they are providing to provide satisfactory service in return. The kids whining for dessert aren't the ones who put dinner on the table. HTC's customers are. The game wouldn't last a day longer without their paid subscriptions than it would without Hitech, Skuzzy, and the rest of the HTC staff. Fortunately I think the latter understand this perfectly well even if some folks posting here don't seem to.

So yes, I am grateful for the work Hitech and the gang have put into giving us this game; I enjoy it greatly and I can honestly say it has enriched my life and introduced me to some great friends. In general I think they've done a bang-up job and created something that is at least as much a work of art as a business model.    But still, it is a pay service, and that makes me (and everyone else here) a customer of their business, not a child, begger, social guest, or other beneficiary of charity, and that changes the rules - especially with regard to complaints and suggestions.

Just in case you missed it...







That is an average of 72 hours/month over the last 3 months.  I can see why you have any reason to complain  

744 hours/month * 3 months = 2232 hours

If one could play 24/7, one would be paying ~ $0.02/hour to play

Since the average in this case is 72 hours/month , you are paying ~ $0.21/hour for this entertainment.

Not bad considering cable TV is about $30/month for basic service, PPV movies ~$5.00, or a trip to a movie theater ~ $15-20 (sans food, mind you)

Really?  Your average time logged on rivals the lions share of 2 weeks worth of work at a normal job (or 1 month's worth for a part-time job) and your ohh-hoo is bleeding that you "can't log in and have any fun"?

Rehash:

744 hours/month

The average person will spend 217 of those hours sleeping (avg. 7hours/night)

Down to 527 hours now

Subtract 160 hours spent working (Avg, 40 hrs/week and 5 day work week.   I work minimum 50 hours so I'm being generous)

Now @ 367 hours...

Subtract another hour/day for personal hygiene/commute time (20)

Now @ 347 hours...

Subtract time to prepare/eat meals (giving 30 min on weekdays and 1 hour/day on weekends so 18 hours)

Now @ 339 hours...

Subtract 15 minutes/day for bathroom/refreshment time (assuming you don not have a beer tap next to the computer and you are not urinating/defecating in a slop bucket on the floor next to you) So 7.75 (8 hours)

Now @ 331 hours of free  time/month for the average person (assuming you have no kids/wife that you must commit your time to, house to maintain, bills to pay, etc)

Avg 72 hrs/month logged on of an average of 331 hours of free time...

~ 20% or 1/5 of your free time has been spent playing this game for $0.21/hour and you are going to complain about the conditions in which you are "forced" to play under?


There is a word or two that can be used  to describe these types of customers.

Whiners or Ingrates.

Take your pick...