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Offline Guppy35

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P38 Lightning reading list
« on: March 25, 2011, 12:32:47 AM »
Had someone in the MA ask about P38 books.  I won't claim it's the complete list, but it's pretty close on P38 Unit Histories, Pilot Biographies and general 38 history.  I'm sure folks will add to the list

P38 Lightning-Reading List

Group or Squadron Histories:

“An Escort of P-38s-The 1st Fighter Group in World War 2” - John D. Mullins
“Attack & Conquer-The 8th Fighter Group in WW2” –John Stanaway & Lawrence Hickey
A history of the 459th Fighter Squadron the Twin Dragons, CBI, 1943-1945 by James M. Fielder.
"The Dynamite Gang-The 367th Fighter Group in World War 2" by Richard Groh
"The 14th Fighter Group in World War II"-John Lambart
“The Eight Ballers: Eyes of the Fifth Air Force”-John Stanaway & Bob Rocker
“20th Fighter Group” – Ron MacKay
"Straight and Level-The story of the 33rd Photo Recon Squadron in WW2"  J.B. Woodson Jr.
“The Fighting 33rd Nomads in World War 2 Volumes 1 & 2” -James E. Reed
“Cobra in the Clouds-Combat History of the 39th Fighter Squadron”-John Stanaway
“Protect & Avenge-The 49th Fighter Group in World War 2”-S.W. Furguson & William K. Pascalis
"The Only Way Home"  54th FS in the Aleutians"  Robert Haynes Murray
“The 55th Fighter Group vs The Luftwaffe”-John M. Gray
“Adorimini-A History of the 82nd Fighter Group in World War 2” –Steve Blake with John Stanaway
“The 370th Fighter Group in World War 2” -Jay Jones
“The Geyser Gang-The 428th Fighter Squadron in World War 2” –John Truman Steinko
"Vampire Squadron-The saga of the 44th FS in the Southwest Pacific"-William Starke
"The 474th Fighter Group in WW2"- Isham Keller.
“Possum, Clover & Hades-The 475th Fighter Group in WW2”-John Stanaway
“The 479th Fighter Group in World War 2” - Terry Fairfield


Books on the P38 Lightning and it’s pilots

“The Lockheed P-38” – Warren Bodie
“Peter Three Eight-The Pilot’s Story” -John Stanaway
“P38 Lightning Aces of the Pacific and CBI” - John Stanaway
“P38 Lightning Aces of the ETO/MTO” - John Stanaway
“Lockheed P38 Lightning” -Steve Pace
“Lockheed P-28 Lightning” -Frederick A. Johnsen
“P-38 Lightning in World War II Color” - Jeffrey L. Ethell
“P-38 Lightning-Restoring a Classic American Warbird” –Jesse Alexander
"Forked Tailed Devil"- Martin Caiden
"Lightning Strikes" - Donald Davis
"Aces High: The Heroic Saga of America's two top-scoring Aces of WWII" - Bill Yenne
"JUNGLE ACE" by John Bruning Biography of Col. Gerald Johnson, 24 Victory Pacific Theater Lightning Ace.

"P38 Lightning in Detail & Scale Part 1 XP-38-P38H"  by Bert Kinzey
"P38 Lightning in Detail & Scale Part 2 P-38J-P38M"  by Bert Kinzey
"Lockheed P38 Lightning-in USAAF, French, Italian, Chinese Nationalist Service"  Arco Aircam Aviation Series #10
"Twelve to One"-5th Fighter Command Aces of the Pacific.  Compiled by Tony Holmes.  (This is the manual put together by 5th FC using the words of their best pilots.  Includes lots of 38 drivers)
"Lockheed P-38 Lightning in Italian Service 1943-1955"-Marco Mattioli
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2011, 07:15:22 AM »
"Forked Tailed Devil"- Martin Caiden


...um...

Failure to Warn doctrine suggests that this be marked "fiction."

- oldman (just trying to help out, thanks for the list!)

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 09:59:18 AM »

...um...

Failure to Warn doctrine suggests that this be marked "fiction."

- oldman (just trying to help out, thanks for the list!)

Forked Tail Devil pretty damn good though.
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 10:12:12 AM »
Another unit history for the list

"The Forgotten Squadron: The 449th Fighter Squadron in World War II" by Daniel Jackson

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2011, 01:30:39 PM »

...um...

Failure to Warn doctrine suggests that this be marked "fiction."

- oldman (just trying to help out, thanks for the list!)

LOL the dreaded Caiden Meter.  Yeah I agree.  I was just typing the books on my shelves and forgot the disclaimer on that one :)
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2011, 07:48:11 PM »
LOL the dreaded Caiden Meter.  Yeah I agree.  I was just typing the books on my shelves and forgot the disclaimer on that one :)

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 03:00:11 PM »
“The Lockheed P-38” – Warren Bodie

A fantastic book -- must read for the P-38 nut.

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"Forked Tailed Devil"- Martin Caiden

Come on -- don't give Guppy a hard time -- this is truly a good book.  Maybe it has some inaccuracies in it, but it is still a good book.

What do you guys not like about it specifically?

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 03:55:36 PM »
A fantastic book -- must read for the P-38 nut.

Come on -- don't give Guppy a hard time -- this is truly a good book.  Maybe it has some inaccuracies in it, but it is still a good book.

What do you guys not like about it specifically?

That he made a lot of it up and embellished a lot more :)

Not saying it's a bad read.  I enjoyed it.  But any Caiden reader figures out over time that he never let the truth get in the way of a good story :)
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 03:58:48 PM »
A fantastic book -- must read for the P-38 nut.

Come on -- don't give Guppy a hard time -- this is truly a good book.  Maybe it has some inaccuracies in it, but it is still a good book.

What do you guys not like about it specifically?

Not having a copy around to give you a detailed analysis, I can think of these things:

1.  It contains much fantasy.  Dead pilots landing their 38s in North Africa.  A whole chapter on an Italian in a captured 38 being baited by a b17 pilot who paints the Italian's wife on the nose and, after the war, attends the Italian pilot's funeral.  Probably more, as I said I'm going on very long-term memory.
2.  It's a pathetic apologia for the 38's failure as an escort fighter in the 8th AF.  The 38 might have worked out fine in the Med and Pacific and even in the 9th AF, but it didn't work out fine in the 8th.  Many on these boards and others have offered good explanations on WHY this was so, but Caiden tries to make it look as if it were not so.
3.  It's a pathetic apologia (I'm beginning to love that word) for the P-38's design flaws.  All through the book Caiden is saying things like "Yes, this didn't work, but by the time the P-38L came around it did!"  Fine.  That was too late.  The plane didn't work when it counted.
4.  I grew up on Caiden books.  "Black Thursday," "Thunderbolt!", ""Samurai," "Everything But the Flak," "The Rugged Ragged Warriors," I read them all.  Worse, I believed them all.  Once I realized that "Fork-tailed Devil" was dishonestly written I went back over the others and found many other, similar problems (although happily not in the two where the real pilots could keep Caiden honest).  So I was the Betrayed Angry Person.

As I say, that's just off the top of my head.

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 07:44:01 PM »
3.  It's a pathetic apologia (I'm beginning to love that word) for the P-38's design flaws.  All through the book Caiden is saying things like "Yes, this didn't work, but by the time the P-38L came around it did!"  Fine.  That was too late.  The plane didn't work when it counted.

OK, there has *got* to be a fight now with someone from SAPP.  I'm getting my popcorn right now. :)

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 08:28:58 AM »
I can add a few more:

Kohn's War by Fredric Arnold.  This is a great story, and is a novel about the author's actual experiences flying the 38 in the Med, the author claims the experiences he relayed were true; he modified the names of the characters.  I remember it as a great read.

The Last Great Ace.  by Charles A. Martin (about Tommy McGuire)

Happy Jack's Go Buggy  by Jack Ilfrey

and...now that I'm in "reply" mode, did you catch "Dick Bong, America's Ace of Aces"?

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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 10:30:52 AM »
OK, there has *got* to be a fight now with someone from SAPP.  I'm getting my popcorn right now. :)

LOL... Those "flaws" were recognized early on for the most part... Getting the Government to authorize changes can take a very long time. All of the significant changes that appeared in the P-38J-1-LO were proposed in early 1942. It took months for the Army to sign off on them, and even longer for the War Production Board to allow a production line interruption to get new tooling in place. Even a less complex fighter like the P-47 was impacted by the bureaucratic and formal testing delays associated with the USAAF and WPB. For example, the XP-47K (prototype with the bubble canopy and increased internal fuel) flew in July of 1943 after more than 3 months of redesign and construction. P-47D-25-RE fighters didn't reach combat units for 13 months. Adding to Lockheed's woes and delays was that Lockheed was not on the best terms with the "customer" due to various reasons; some outside their control and some they managed to create via management bungling. Compare this to the Navy system, where the F6F went from the first flight of a completely new design (not just upgrades like the P-38J-1 and P-47D-25) to combat within a year. Even with the Navy's accelerated acceptance system, Vought still managed to drag out development of the F4U, largely through similar management flubs as Lockheed. The Navy went as far as having Grumman redesign the main mount struts for the F4U to cure the severe bounce issue (after all, the slightly heavier F6F didn't bounce). There are many factors that history has ignored for the most part... Manufacturer decision making mistakes is just one of them.
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 04:32:37 PM »
I can add a few more:

Kohn's War by Fredric Arnold.  This is a great story, and is a novel about the author's actual experiences flying the 38 in the Med, the author claims the experiences he relayed were true; he modified the names of the characters.  I remember it as a great read.

The Last Great Ace.  by Charles A. Martin (about Tommy McGuire)

Happy Jack's Go Buggy  by Jack Ilfrey

and...now that I'm in "reply" mode, did you catch "Dick Bong, America's Ace of Aces"?

Cheers!

Kohn's war is one to be wary of.  Kohn took experiences of other 38 pilots and attributed it to himself.  The guys in the 1st FG were greatly offended by his falsifying his wartime experience.  There was an Air Classics article years ago by a guy who flew with Kohn in the 1st FG and he tears it apart bit by bit.
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 10:18:44 PM »
Can I add a few?

P-38 F - L Structural Repair Manuals
P-38 F - L Erection and Maintenance Manuals
P-38 F - L Illustrated Parts Manuals.

All will provide literally months of reading pleasure.
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Re: P38 Lightning reading list
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 10:40:45 PM »
Can I add a few?

P-38 F - L Structural Repair Manuals
P-38 F - L Erection and Maintenance Manuals
P-38 F - L Illustrated Parts Manuals.

All will provide literally months of reading pleasure.

Bastage! :)  That your F4U-4 that's getting all the oohs and ahhs lately with all the photos shown since it's restoration?
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