p51 D vs la7

[Debrody]

It takes a lot of skill to fly the 51 well in an actual fight. It is severely outclassed by the K4 in a typical MA (low alt) dogfight. So how is it a twit ride? I have seen plenty of 109s and 190s that wont come down, and wont fight. There are no twit rides, just twit pilots.

Sir, you are right, and i respect your skills. But youre one of the few pony pilots who can turnfight in it properly. 90% of the pony pilots just pick and run. Same with the La.
Pony can be very twitty in the picknrun role tho... it can get you from 800 when the k-4 has to be below 200. In an 1v1, the k-4 is better, but in a 10*k-4v10*pony, the k-4 has only a minor chance.

[perdue3]

It takes a lot of skill to fly the 51 well in an actual fight. It is severely outclassed by the K4 in a typical MA (low alt) dogfight. So how is it a twit ride? I have seen plenty of 109s and 190s that wont come down, and wont fight. There are no twit rides, just twit pilots.

Doesn't matter how it CAN be flown it matters how it is generally flown. Most Ponies you see in MA are high above the fight BnZing which is twitty. Just like Twitfires, they can be flown invincibly by good sticks but the fact is most of the Twitfires in MA are flown by skilless twits. La's are the same way, only difference is they are usually not very high but they generally run from a fight just to come back and gang and/or HO. Therefore, lame twittiness vs low alt lame twittiness.

[Ardy123]

Sir, you are right, and i respect your skills. But youre one of the few pony pilots who can turnfight in it properly. 90% of the pony pilots just pick and run. Same with the La.
Pony can be very twitty in the picknrun role tho... it can get you from 800 when the k-4 has to be below 200. In an 1v1, the k-4 is better, but in a 10*k-4v10*pony, the k-4 has only a minor chance.

k4 is a little faster than a p51D so the trick is to drag it out and get co-e, even in a 10v10. After that, you have to put the p51 in a situation where it has to turn to avoid loss of position. Once this occurs, its only a matter of time before the p51 dies.

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Doesn't matter how it CAN be flown it matters how it is generally flown. Most Ponies you see in MA are high above the fight BnZing which is twitty. Just like Twitfires, they can be flown invincibly by good sticks but the fact is most of the Twitfires in MA are flown by skilless twits. La's are the same way, only difference is they are usually not very high but they generally run from a fight just to come back and gang and/or HO. Therefore, lame twittiness vs low alt lame twittiness.

so you are judging a plane by those that fly it?

one thing that bugs me is all the spit hate, brew hate, 51 hate, LA hate......ect ect.....the damn plane does NOTHING on its own, they are all awesome prop planes, its the dweeb in said plane doing the dweeby things not the plane.

I don't know why people cant except/understand this, its really quite simple.   

say someone flies a P40..or hell Ill say 38 because those that fly it are dedicated to it ( for the most part)   if they are a dweeb in the 38, does flying the 38 make their actions un-dweeby?   I think not......if someone flies the spit 16, I dont think damn what a dweeb he is in a 16....now if all he does is face shoot and run away as soon as I get a bit of advantage...then I say damn what a dweeb...

THERE ARE NO DWEEB PLANES...JUST DWEEB PILOTS

[321BAR]

But thats you... i was talking about average pilot vs average pilot.

ive been beat by "average" La pilots. in the end its all about how you fly em

[Bucky73]

LA-7 is easier to drive but a pony used the right way will eat it's lunch hands down. Pony anyday.

[CDR1]

Both these planes were built for very different missions, la's fought the German air force at low level and had the right characteristics to be ultimately the victory.
p51 was built to fly high and escort bombers. it's characteristics allowed it's missions to be expanded to many different roles. both are great planes and flown well against each other ends up being a display of pilot discipline. The winner will almost certainly be the pilot how flew to his planes strength's and avoided it's weaknesses.

[dedalos]

LA-7 is easier to drive but a pony used the right way will eat it's lunch hands down. Pony anyday.

   I am rusty as hell, but I would love to see anyone in a pony taking my lunch if I am in a lala.  And I mean in a fight.  Not boring me until I am out of fuel.

[Wiley]

  I am rusty as hell, but I would love to see anyone in a pony taking my lunch if I am in a lala.  And I mean in a fight.  Not boring me until I am out of fuel.

Well, one possible definition of 'used right' would be to keep it fast, BnZ you to hell and back, without giving you a chance.  I assume that's what you mean by boring you until you're out of fuel.

In a 'get down 1000 feet off the deck and turn until somebody dies' style fight, which a lot of guys seem to define all 'fights' as, I'd give the edge to the LA, mostly due to the speed with which it climbs and regains E compared to the pony.  The longer the fight goes on, the more it swings in the LA's favor, IMO.

Wiley.

[hotard]

 I am rusty as hell, but I would love to see anyone in a pony taking my lunch if I am in a lala.  And I mean in a fight.  Not boring me until I am out of fuel.

SAW BUCK ON DEDALOS AT ANY ALTITUDE !!!!!!!!!!!!

[dedalos]

Well, one possible definition of 'used right' would be to keep it fast, BnZ you to hell and back, without giving you a chance.  I assume that's what you mean by boring you until you're out of fuel.

In a 'get down 1000 feet off the deck and turn until somebody dies' style fight, which a lot of guys seem to define all 'fights' as, I'd give the edge to the LA, mostly due to the speed with which it climbs and regains E compared to the pony.  The longer the fight goes on, the more it swings in the LA's favor, IMO.

Wiley.

Ahh, but I could use the lala to extend through every ack on the map.  What exactly did he mean by eating its lunch?  I would think not BnZ it to death.

So, in a fight, no matter how much we like to pump the 51 as the best fighter, all it really had was fuel and speed.  I'd even take a 109, ki84, Spit, B38 you name it vs a P51.  At the end, the only thing it has is speed to stay safe or run

[Krusty]

There's a difference between fighting and running. And fighting doesn't have to be low and slow turn fighting.

A P-51D is quite capable of FIGHTING an La-7.... (not RUNNING, as you suggested), but given equal pilots, regardless of whatever moves the P-51D pull, the La-7 will generally outperform it.


Taking a pot shot and running outside of icon range is not real fighting. Thats 2-weeker territory right there 

[Kuhn]

La5 trumps both of em. 

[Krusty]

Hate to break it to ya, the La5 has the same climb rate and acceleration as the La-7... Only difference is the top-end of the envelope, the lower drag cowling of the La7 gives it a better top speed. That drag means 25mph across the board up and down, WEP or no WEP.

All other stats are almost identical.

[Kuhn]

Yeah Krusty. Leave it to you to spoil a troll.