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Offline LThunderpocket

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autoclimb is the new dive?
« on: March 28, 2011, 03:14:09 AM »
so i lift off a 163 to get strat bombers..etc..i do .speed 200 then alt X (my autoclimb setting).it imedialty goes into a nose dive 1k off the deck.i crash of course.but at the time my true speed was between 250 and 260.why would it just nose over like that?
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 03:16:08 AM »
You either made a typo or misread your speed.
In any case you should not be using such an autopilot this close to the ground.
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2011, 03:16:14 AM »
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2011, 03:19:17 AM »
Given some of your previous encounters, I'm not sure you are great at accurately judging your speed.
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2011, 03:30:12 AM »
Given some of your previous encounters, I'm not sure you are great at accurately judging your speed.

no no.this time i had the e6b open!the same thing has happend before in a b29.but i was high enough to get out of it
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2011, 03:40:20 AM »
You said your true air speed showed 250-260, your autopilot sets indicated air speed. So as I said above, seems like you misread your speed.
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2011, 03:51:44 AM »
Learned the hard way too.  Grab some alt. before you hit the auto-climb.  At least it gives you a little time to pull up.

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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2011, 04:28:17 AM »
If you try to use the command ".speed 200" while you are in auto takeoff and still seeing the green text... the speed command will not take. All you have to do is turn off the auto takeoff first and then it will work.
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2011, 04:52:56 AM »
You either made a typo or misread your speed.
In any case you should not be using such an autopilot this close to the ground.

It's a bug that's been around for a very long time but I have no idea how to reproduce it and it is very random.  You'll be on auto-climb and then all of a sudden you'll do a sharp nose dive and then the plane pulls up in a zoom climb to bleed energy back to 180mph IAS where it then settles back down into a climb.  Auto-pilot does not turn off while this occurs and stays on throughout the entire episode.

I haven't been able to figure out the cause but I know from extensive testing of my controllers that those aren't the cause and also that auto-pilot does not turn off while it happens also points away from it being the controllers.

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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2011, 05:03:55 AM »
Well, first of all, at 200mph, the 163 only barely can fly this slow (when its heavy, usually at takeoff...).  That rocket engine performs the best at around 350mph, so i dont know what did you want at 200... Possibly it was one of your first 163 takeoffs, right?
Second, i guess your true speed was 250 when you hit the ground, right?
Third, .speed adjusts indicated air speed, not true airspeed.

Btw, i had the same experience when was trying to up a 262  totally drunk... autoclimb at 200mph, then alt tab to put on some music   :D
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2011, 05:06:37 AM »
Begs the question, "Why did you not over ride the PC as soon as the nose dipped?"

At 1k and at 250-260 mph you must have had a good few seconds to recover and climb manually.
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2011, 05:06:47 AM »
It's not a bug.  

AH does not have an "auto-climb" command.  Instead, it has an "auto-speed" command, which is often used as an auto-climb..  

When you activate it, the plane does whatever it needs to do in order to achieve that speed.  In most planes, the default auto-speed is fairly slow, so engaging it right after take-off causes the nose to come up.  In other planes though, the default auto-speed is fairly high, which will cause the plane to drop its nose if it's activated too soon after take-off.

It's often adjusted to a higher or lower speed manually, and in bombers (for example) setting it slightly above your level speed will result in a slightly increased, maintained, dive speed.  This is useful for long descents, or for defending against fighters because your increased speed will make it more difficult for them to make sustained attacks without falling behind.  Set it for 290-300 mph in a B17, for example, and then get into the tail gun.

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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2011, 05:10:50 AM »
You said your true air speed showed 250-260, your autopilot sets indicated air speed. So as I said above, seems like you misread your speed.

indicated is what i ment.the white bar was at 250.my true was 290 somthing.i got the 2 mixed up in prev post
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2011, 05:43:56 AM »
I want to see the film.  :aok
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Re: autoclimb is the new dive?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2011, 05:49:09 AM »
I want to see the film.  :aok

He hasn't figured out how to use it, yet.

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