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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #150 on: April 11, 2011, 10:37:51 AM »
I'm wondering if F1 will win some more American fans when it comes back to the US in Austin next year.  Hope so.


Also I just watched the Malaysia GP,  good race, Vettel is gonna be tough to beat this year.

And this talk about going 3 wide into corners at Daytona in NASCAR is just silly...   :rofl

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There ARE NO CORNERS at Daytona.


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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #151 on: April 11, 2011, 12:12:20 PM »
There ARE NO CORNERS at Daytona.
At speeds nearing 200 mph and tires half as wide as F1 cars,those are corners. NASCAR doesnt have all that namby pamby traction control and crap. They run em on the edge. F1 just gets better down force the faster ya go.
 Apples and oranges.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #152 on: April 11, 2011, 12:17:20 PM »
At speeds nearing 200 mph and tires half as wide as F1 cars,those are corners. NASCAR doesnt have all that namby pamby traction control and crap. They run em on the edge. F1 just gets better down force the faster ya go.
 Apples and oranges.

No traction control in F1 anymore..

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #153 on: April 11, 2011, 12:31:49 PM »
At speeds nearing 200 mph and tires half as wide as F1 cars,those are corners. NASCAR doesnt have all that namby pamby traction control and crap. They run em on the edge. F1 just gets better down force the faster ya go.
 Apples and oranges.

Nascar tires are not half as wide.  ~304mm for a Nascar tire versus a 270mm tread width for formula one dry weather tire.  

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2011, 12:43:01 PM »
So much ignorance in this thread, I must say that I've been biting my tongue.

The only reason NASCAR can do 200MPH, three wide, is because the tracks they run on have cambered turns.



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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2011, 12:54:56 PM »
At speeds nearing 200 mph and tires half as wide as F1 cars,those are corners. NASCAR doesnt have all that namby pamby traction control and crap. They run em on the edge. F1 just gets better down force the faster ya go.
 Apples and oranges.

What kind of lateral G forces does one get in a NASCAR car in a "corner" with a 30° or greater bank???   And there is what?? 4-5 "corners" on a lap, vs. 15-20+ on an F1 track.  That's not cornering, that's driving in a really big circle really fast.

F1 cars not only have better aero-grip, they also have pretty good mechanical grip, since every track has both high and low speed corners, and the tires are not bigger, they are actually smaller.  Traction control and launch control where done away with 2 years ago when they went to a standard ECU so they could enforce it.  

Yes I know it's all apples to oranges, I just like to get the NASCAR fans all riled up  :devil .  I don't care who you are, driving in a big banked oval is not cornering.   Cornering requires braking in, downshifting, hitting an apex, and accelerating out.

Like I said, I admit NASCAR takes talent and skill, so does finishing concrete, and calculus, and knitting.  They're all boring to watch too.   :bolt:

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #156 on: April 11, 2011, 01:07:35 PM »
 These days being a F1 driver requires alot of in cockpit button/paddle management! In NASCAR it's basic shift gears and steering,sure they can control some things in NASCAR and they can certainly change how the car behaves when in the pits.

  The F1 cars use a steering wheel worth around 50 grand because of all the computer tech and switches,watching some in cockpit views in this last race,I was amazed at the workload from that alone.The driver can adjust so many parameters of the car on the fly that it's no wonder theres such a difference in lap times.

  The bottom line is both sports are so different you just cant compare the 2 and just because a drive is good in 1 form doesnt mean he can even compete in another.Look at Unser,little Al,he went to F1 for 1 dismal season and I dont think he even finish a race before he gave up and went home.Now that same man on a Indy Car oval is a force to be reckoned with but the cars are so different it becomes a specialist type of thing.

   I relate it to flying,look at how the different plane preform and handle,the cars are the same sort of thing.


  All those guys put their lives on the line every time they line up for a race so they all have my respect no matter what form of racing they do. :aok




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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2011, 01:32:32 PM »
 I will admit my knowledge on the F1 cars seems to be off but thats only because it bores the crap out of me and I dont watch it. Now if I watched it,Im sure I would be up on all the nuances that make ANY form of racing exciting to watch. Most of the Nascar guys started out on dirt. I would love to see the Indy guys take a shot at that. Then again...apples and oranges.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #158 on: April 11, 2011, 02:37:33 PM »

I had a vendor asked me if I could make it to NASCAR race in Texas this past week end.  I told him I was a little busy, but I knew of a couple boys that sure would love to go.   Oldest boy said it was the most fun he has ever had.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #159 on: April 11, 2011, 02:45:36 PM »
I had a vendor asked me if I could make it to NASCAR race in Texas this past week end.  I told him I was a little busy, but I knew of a couple boys that sure would love to go.   Oldest boy said it was the most fun he has ever had.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #160 on: April 11, 2011, 10:53:24 PM »
Excellent, yes.

If familiar, why would you make such a ridiculous crack about Kimi and Daytona?

Seems to me he'll need a cup holder and a magazine rack; not diapers.
Because he has a playstation on his steering wheel in F1. NASCAR has no driver assistance. He'll need a magazine rack to hold all the rookie instruction manuals.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #161 on: April 12, 2011, 08:42:17 AM »
Nascar tires are not half as wide.  ~304mm for a Nascar tire versus a 270mm tread width for formula one dry weather tire.  

Front Tires: (when mounted and inflated to 1.4 bar)

Section Width - 305-355mm
Tread Width - 270mm
Groove Width - 14mm that tapers down to 10mm
Groove Depth - 2.5mm minimum
Distance between grooves - 50 mm center to center
Diameter - 660 mm (670mm for wets)

These are generally fitted to 12.7x13" rims

Rear Tires: (when mounted and inflated to 1.4 bar)

Section Width - 365-380mm
Tread Width - not specified
Groove Width - 14 mm that tapers to 10mm
Groove Depth - 2.5 mm minimum
Distance between grooves - 50 mm center to center
Diameter - 660 mm (670 mm for wets)

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #162 on: April 12, 2011, 09:21:51 AM »
The funny thing about regular grooved tires is that if you drive them long enough you get racing slicks.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #163 on: April 13, 2011, 01:41:06 PM »
Because he has a playstation on his steering wheel in F1. NASCAR has no driver assistance. He'll need a magazine rack to hold all the rookie instruction manuals.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.  I've driven both ovals and road courses.  I've done laps in both a Formula Atlantic car and a "detuned" stock car.  There is just no comparison at any level.  The sheer physical toll enacted on your body, alone, is enough to separate the two.  That is not to say one is "better" than the other, but I have no doubt that transitioning from F1 to NASCAR is much easier than the inverse.

Going around an oval, in a banked corner, you are subjected to what... 1-2 lateral G's?  Maybe 3 at most?  Some tracks on the F1 circuit result in G forces closer to F16's than cars.  After all, a modern F1 car is, for all intents and purposes, an upside-down airplane.  The faster you go, the more downforce you generate and the higher your aerodynamic grip.  The higher your level of grip, the higher the limit of adhesion and the greater the forces to which the driver is subjected.  There is a reason these guys look exhausted after a race and there is a reason they don't go 500 miles.  The human body couldn't take that level of punishment for that length of time.

In a Winston Cup car, you have a steering wheel, a gear lever and three pedals.  In a Formula 1 car, you have a steering wheel, a sequential-manual gearbox and controls for myriad other adjustments to the car.  KERS (power boost), DRS (rear wing deflection adjustment), brake bias, etc, etc.  All of these things are adjusted on the fly, constantly.  The workload is massively increased.  

Just think of the complications of DRS for a moment.  If you have any track experience, you can imagine how difficult it would be to manage the immediate removal of a couple hundred pounds of downforce on the rear of a mid-engined car; only to then have it slapped back down in milliseconds.  The entire behavior of the vehicle is altered.  All of us arm-chair quarterbacks would spin, based upon DRS management alone, going in a straight line.

Head on over to www.F1.com, sign up for an account and watch some of the older videos... these guys are, quite literally, adjusting F/R brake bias in every single braking zone for that extra 0.0001 of a second based on a dozen variables specific to that specific turn-in.  This is why Gordon received a "protected" F1 car for his publicity stunt.  

There is absolutely no doubt that Gordan is unbelievably talented; as are all professional drivers, regardless of where they race, but everything happens faster in a an F1 car; by multiples... even the most seasoned of drivers, when they first sit in the cockpit and go for a lap, can be overwhelmed very quickly.  The thought process needs to go from 'holy crap fast' to 'are you kidding me? fast'

Again, please don't construe any of this as a hit on NASCAR.  I appreciate all forms of motorsport... but proclaiming that Scuderia Ferrari's F1 Champion is somehow going to need instruction manuals and diapers to run a stock car at Daytona is just silly.  In comparison to his history in F1 and WRC, NASCAR is going to seem like slow-motion to Kimi.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #164 on: April 13, 2011, 01:49:46 PM »
I'm wondering if F1 will win some more American fans when it comes back to the US in Austin next year.  Hope so.

I will be there.     :rock