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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #165 on: April 13, 2011, 02:49:42 PM »
The track which is being built in Texas looks more like a roller coaster than a race circuit. It's going to be a thing of beauty! :aok



I'm sure Petrov can beat his current flying record by using the straight before T1 as a ramp.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #166 on: April 13, 2011, 04:01:23 PM »
Petrov's move was funny.

At first, I just thought he had an off since the live feed missed it, initially, but when they showed the replay with the steering column breaking and then the out-of-car camera view of him in the air (above) I did actually laugh. 

As for Austin, if that is the final design of the circuit, Turn 1 is going to be a squeak.  In fact, if I try and think like a race engineer, I'd have no idea how to create a baseline setup for that track, other than "everything neutral and let's see what happens..."

There are long straights, where you want low downforce, but Turn 1, alone, is going to require massive aerodynamic *and* mechanical grip (and, might I say, screw Pirelli and their new tires... you can't have marbles at the top level of motorsport...). 

The rest of the track, with it's elevation changes, is going to make for some very interesting racing.  The hump between 11 and 12 looks downright dangerous; I bet we see a couple guys loose it there during the first couple practice sessions and they come on and off the throttle when the car gets light.  2 through 7 also looks deceptive ala the S's at VIR or Road Atlanta.

I like.  That's a proper race track... far better than, as Villeneuve so aptly put it, the "Mickey Mouse" course at Indy... which comment, as long as it has been mentioned, also resulted in what was, in my opinion, the greatest F1 paddock interview of all time... (para-phasing):

Interviewer:  "Michael, Michael!  What are your thoughts on the new, US GP circuit at Indianapolis?  How does it compare with Jacques Villeneuve's opinion?

Schumacher:  "Oh?  What is Jacques opinion of the circuit?"  (Smile)

Interviewer:  "He has referred to the layout as "Mickey Mouse.""

Schumacher:  (Brief pause)  "Then it should suit him."  (Smile, walk away)

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #167 on: April 13, 2011, 05:43:38 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQP4XKuiDt0

One of my favorite (amateur) compilations for those without an account.


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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #169 on: April 13, 2011, 08:21:13 PM »
http://youtubedoubler.com/?video1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJUhu13qp8Oc&feature=player_embedded&start1&video2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dseget3zOj_8&start2&authorName=Not+Sure

And... some perspective:  A comparison between "fast" and "(expletive)."

I loved this... Great comparison of the of the relative speeds. For those unfamiliar with road racing, it presents a stark contrast.

It does, however, remind me of what I learned early in my road racing days (club racing with a 1958 Alfa Giulietta circa 1971-73); "any driver can go fast in a fast car, but it takes skill and talent to go fast in a slow car." Another good one to remember is, "slow is smooth and smooth is fast." Driving a G Production Alfa, these concepts brought some solace when being lapped by a C production Sunbeam Tiger or having to move off of the racing line for a pair of 240Zs dueling for a class win. Nonetheless, there was real truth in the adages. I found that I could compete with many of the F Production Spitfires and Midgets. Occasionally, I could run with the E Production back markers (mostly MGBs driven by guys who were more into the scene than actually racing for a win). speed is all relative... Driving at the limit is still the challenge.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #170 on: April 13, 2011, 08:32:10 PM »
Papyrus made some goos sims in their day.They had a Grand Prix one that I remember being just the toughest sim Ive run. Those older GP cars didnt have aero or any of that crap.You had to DRIVE those suckers. It was a rush digging those out of the turns right on the edge of control.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #171 on: April 13, 2011, 09:26:31 PM »


I cracked up at this in the race too.  Although it could have injured his spine pretty good, bet it hurt like a mother.  Ironic part of it was that Petrov told Martin Brundle on the grid before the race "I know a few tricks around this circuit."   :lol

So far this season I'm pretty bummed that Robert Kubica is out.  :(  With the podiums that Renault has had in the first 2 races, I can't help but think that Kubica would be kicking butt in that car, right up there with Vettel, Webber, Hamilton, Button and Alonso in the championship hunt.

Also how about that Paul Di Resta guy?  I'm thinking he could be a future superstar.  Coming in his rookie year and easily matching his more experienced teammate.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #172 on: April 13, 2011, 09:34:01 PM »
One way to settle this one.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #173 on: April 14, 2011, 08:35:54 AM »
One way to settle this one.

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Don't even start with the grid girls... that will get messy.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #174 on: April 14, 2011, 11:05:36 AM »
The track which is being built in Texas looks more like a roller coaster than a race circuit. It's going to be a thing of beauty! :aok

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I'm sure Petrov can beat his current flying record by using the straight before T1 as a ramp.

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  Very nice!

 If this is the end result for the new track I cant wait to see an F1 race there. Mazz,I totally agree with your assessment of the track,that hump looks"interesting" to say the least.There's a long run coming out of the last corner to the finishline then up the hill to corner 1,thats gonna be a huge overtaking spot and likely a car collector at the starts.

  The new DRS system has me somewhat confussed,exactly when they can use or not use it,doesnt make sense to me. I get the KERS,use it till it's used up and you cant get a full charge back till you cross the line,this makes sense but the DRS is being regulated way too much.

  I can only wonder what a handfull the car would be if the KERS quit,it's part of the braking system and affects the brake bias so if you lose it your bias will be slightly.......ERR different!! :O

 Oh and say what you will about Petrov,he can still learn a thing or 2 from Webber on flying an F1 car.



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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #175 on: April 14, 2011, 01:45:26 PM »
The new DRS system has me somewhat confussed,exactly when they can use or not use it,doesnt make sense to me. I get the KERS,use it till it's used up and you cant get a full charge back till you cross the line,this makes sense but the DRS is being regulated way too much.

Cut and paste from F1.com:

Adjustable rear wings
Under new moveable bodywork regulations, drivers of suitably equipped cars can adjust the rear wing from the cockpit, altering its angle of incidence through a set range. (The moveable front wing, used in 2010, has been dropped.) The system’s availability is electronically governed - it can be used at any time in practice and qualifying (unless a driver is on wet-weather tyres), but during the race can only be activated when a driver is less than one second behind another car at pre-determined points on the track. The system is then deactivated once the driver brakes. In combination with KERS, it is designed to boost overtaking. Also like KERS, it isn’t compulsory.


The bold portion is the important part.  At each circuit, there is an imaginary line.  After the car crosses that line, the rear wing can be moved, but only if the driver is within one second of the car ahead of him.  If no car is within one second, the wing remains static.  Throughout the season, that imaginary line will almost certainly end up on the longest straights at each circuit.

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Oh and say what you will about Petrov,he can still learn a thing or 2 from Webber on flying an F1 car.

I must preface this with the fact that I am a huge Webber fan; but that display of "aerobatics" last year made my heart stop.  The fact that he actually walked out of that car is a testament to modern safety gear... I expected a Massa-like result.

That being said; much like Seb's ridiculous "move" last year at (was it Turkey or Hungary?) that knocked both RBR cars off track, the Webber flight was not his fault.  He just couldn't react to what the slower car did in the time available.  He had his plan to go around the slower car and the slower car tried to yield Webber the best line.  Yielding the line makes sense for someone without any experience; but, as you well know, Mort, it is the absolute worst possible thing you can do while being overtaken (exception being multi-class racing ala ALMS on VERY long straights, in some cases, and even then nowhere near the pit exit).  Might as well slam on your brakes, too...

Either way, I'm glad to have F1 back in the 'States at a *proper* race track.   :rock
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #176 on: April 14, 2011, 03:48:10 PM »
That bold print about when a wing is active seems like some form of remote control.

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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #177 on: April 15, 2011, 03:46:31 AM »
Papyrus made some goos sims in their day.They had a Grand Prix one that I remember being just the toughest sim Ive run. Those older GP cars didnt have aero or any of that crap.You had to DRIVE those suckers. It was a rush digging those out of the turns right on the edge of control.


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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #178 on: April 15, 2011, 09:43:59 AM »
Cool. Ive got the game someplace in this house. Gawd knows where tho. I had the first Papy Nascar game on floppies. They really had a way of putting you right there.
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Re: F1 driver Kimi Räikkönen to the NASCAR
« Reply #179 on: April 15, 2011, 10:05:46 AM »
I remember nascar 1.

It was great fun starting the race from the rear, turning around and hitting the pack head on to see if you could involve every single car in the crash.

If you ran into the pace car, someone said "what the hell was that?"

Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix series of formula one sims is still possibly one of the most accurately modeled race sim of all time and unbelievably difficult without any driver's aids on........which is how real men drove the sim.

Viper Racing was a spin off of Grand Prix Legends and may have even preceded GPL but it was the same sim but with a different car set.

Multiplayer racing was available in all 3 though I believe Grand Prix series required a serial cable and I remember creating batch files with a long string of command line arguments to play some of these on windows 3.11 wfw.

Win 95 was a bit easier but it worked best with these games that used the 4gw dos 32 bit extender if you used a shortcut that shut down windows 95 and then you wrote custom config files to end up with the perfect setup that yeilded at least 615k of conventional memory available with everything possible loaded to high memory.

My CDrom boot discs still use those config.sys and autoexec.bat files to this day.

good stuff.