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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2011, 01:28:34 PM »
It is a federal crime. They will go to jail as a terrorist.

Its also a federal crime to shine laser lights at airplanes.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2011, 03:17:15 PM »
Its also a federal crime to shine laser lights at airplanes.

Yep, and that is a testimony to how stupid and irrationally scared we all are.  All it took was some rumor that it hit a pilots eye and he got injured.  What a joke  :rofl
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2011, 04:34:47 PM »
In this case they clearly stated that if a bullet is shot straight up it can't kill the shooter or anyone standing next to him because the bullet will start to tumble on its way down and has no energy for it. They also said that if a bullet is shot at much less angle than 90° as often witnessed in tv news, someone may get shot as a result. A 45° angle would be a recipe for a long distance kill - and you see that happen all the time while some idiot is shooting from a car window etc. while celebrating.

makes sense   :aok
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #33 on: March 31, 2011, 04:54:18 PM »
The night they hung sadaam there was a lot of gunfire into the air.  When I got back to my bed a ak round managed to go through the roof of my container.  I call this myth plausible.

So I don't hijack the other thread more, I've got some questions. 

I by no means want to doubt that M2 manual, but does it claim the bullet falls at terminal velocity?  I would imagine an object could loose it's most aerodynamic path (tumble) but still be above it's terminal velocity.
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« Reply #34 on: March 31, 2011, 05:01:57 PM »

Truth of the thread:  yes, there are morons and prettythanghats that fire at private and commercial aircraft because they think it's funny.  If it's not already a federal crime it should be...then again gangbangers could care less.

I used to go on ride-alongs with a family friend that was one of the fire chiefs who was at the time assigned to a station in South Central.  If we weren't racing to save their life one day they'd be shooting at us as we sped by to save another's the day before or after.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #35 on: March 31, 2011, 06:10:54 PM »
Yep, and that is a testimony to how stupid and irrationally scared we all are.  All it took was some rumor that it hit a pilots eye and he got injured.  What a joke  :rofl

There's more to it than one rumor. The lasers in question aren't the little pointers but rather big green industrial lasers. These can and will do damage and there is NO reason to point them at airplanes. You're well off the mark Dedalos including numbers. Hundreds of these incidents have occurred and they are taken very seriously by the FBI.

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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #36 on: March 31, 2011, 07:56:48 PM »
Crazy and lucky nobody was hurt.

A navy seabee buddy had found some old M2 ammo that had sat a long time and got permission to fire it off at the range.

After only a quick burst, it was apparent that there were tracers involved but it was too late......the targets started burning fiercly.

There was no water anywhere near the targets and they were done by the time help arrived.

I thought that tracer rounds had a special mark.  Wouldn't you notice that some of the rounds were different colors?  Or were they all tracers?

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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #37 on: March 31, 2011, 09:00:43 PM »
There's more to it than one rumor. The lasers in question aren't the little pointers but rather big green industrial lasers. These can and will do damage and there is NO reason to point them at airplanes. You're well off the mark Dedalos including numbers. Hundreds of these incidents have occurred and they are taken very seriously by the FBI.

It'll give you night blindness too, it's really dangerous.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #38 on: March 31, 2011, 09:05:01 PM »
These are what people like to shine at airplanes

http://www.wickedlasers.com/lasers/Spyder_III_Pro_Arctic_Series-96-37.html

Thankfully they are pricey and not everyone and their dog can afford one


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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #39 on: March 31, 2011, 09:05:10 PM »
There's more to it than one rumor. The lasers in question aren't the little pointers but rather big green industrial lasers. These can and will do damage and there is NO reason to point them at airplanes. You're well off the mark Dedalos including numbers. Hundreds of these incidents have occurred and they are taken very seriously by the FBI.

Comon now, you mean to tell me that someone successfully aimed and  was able to track and airplanes window and a pilots eye?  At what angle and distance?  If you want to talk numbers do some calculations yourself to see what it would take to even hit the window for a split second.

Is there a reason to do it?  Absolutely not.  Is the reason it is a federal crime the fact you could injure the pilot?  absolutely not.  Can you use a laser to paint a target on  a plane for a rocket?  yes, and you need to make it a crime for that reason.  Hurting a pilots eye would be impossible and even if you did, it would be more dangerous to do that to a driver in the expressway since there is no co pilot to drive your car.

I agree with the law for the reason above, but I find it funny how people jump on these things eating up what the news tells them.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2011, 09:09:56 PM »
They WILL blind a pilot at night.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2011, 09:50:08 PM »
They WILL blind a pilot at night.

Let me help you.  http://www.1728.com/angsize.htm

Try solving for size and see what 1 degree of an angle will do at 1000feet distance.  Do that pointing up at a fast moving target and from the side, and then tell me if you have any hope of even hitting that window.  Your hand is not that steady to adjust for the planes movement.  If you won the lotto and actually hit it, the pilot will have to be looking out the side window and down towards you in order for him to even see that laser beam.  My guess is that he would probably have to stand up also.  And all that would have to happen in the same second or two that you got lucky.

But don't let facts scare you.  Some pilots have reported UFOs following them too.  Go with the news reports.


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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2011, 10:00:51 PM »
Have you ever shot a gun at night with a big flash? Doesn't take much to blind you. The pilot would only have to be looking out the window on a high wing aircraft (assuming the wing is white) and it could reflect back in his eyes for just a split-second, and he would still have night blindness.

It's happened before at a local airport, big field at the end of the runway and a bunch of kids would try to shoot laser beams at planes taking off.

Take Golfers word for it, he's a commercial pilot.
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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2011, 11:58:50 PM »
Funny story.

During a cross-country, I was doing a walk around and noticed a bullet hole mark on an  emergency escape hatch.  I told IP and he got a bit a alarmed. It looked like angle of entrance could only happen during a 30 degree bank.  Anyhow we called to our home base and they cleared us to fly home. We paid quite a lot of attention during assent to make sure aircraft pressurized properly. To keep a story short, after we landed crew chief looked at a emergency door and told that it was just a normal drain hole.  Bah. lol.

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Re: Bullet Hole Found in US Airways Jet
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2011, 01:00:22 AM »
Yes Dedalos and not only do I mean to tell you it's happened I am telling you it's happened. Not once, not twice but hundreds of incidents are documented. Of those there are many individuals who have been quite successfully prosecuted for doing it.

Thats not eligible for debate. It's fact.