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Offline Viper61

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side ratio's
« on: April 09, 2011, 01:42:41 AM »
I understand the set up and making this a fair fight and this was talked about at great length before the scenario began so I am not trying to revisit that.

This is the second frame in which the 325th had B-29's and good capable fighter protection and in both frames we got wiped out almost to the man (bombers).  So far we have launched a total of 30 B-29's (singles) totaling for both frames.  That's 6 cell's for the first frame and only 4 cell's for the second frame both attacking Medium fields.  Only 2 B-29's (singles) have made it home to land.  My estimate is that the plans were sound in both frames.  All of the squads preformed as planned and came in with good size in turnout.  We just ran into very stiff defenses both times.  I'm talking 3 to 1 odds or higher at the decisive point.  Tonight I had no less than 8 enemy fighters with at least 4 firing at the same time at my B-29 just to give you an idea of what I saw.

So either we are just having some bad luck here or the 60/40 set up might be a little to one sided.  I know tonight the AXIS side had the ALLIES by 40 pilots at the start.  And it seams like it was about like that for frame 01 as well.

I was wondering if other ALLIED squads are seeing what I am on the ALLIED side?  Without the scores being posted any more very hard to tell how we are doing between the frames.  So you only see what you see out of your cockpit window.

In both attacks each base was defended by at least 30 fighters and probably 35 to 40 which is a bit high for the FSO frames "normally".  And of course the 60/40 advantage allows for that.

Not complaining here, and the FSO is always fun even when you lose.  I would just like to get my bombs off of my racks once and see a little less death in my squad from the hordes of descending NIKI's coming in from 28K.  Plus I would think the points are showing a loop sided event in the AXIS favor?

Is it time to tweak the set up just a bit for frame 03?  Or do we need to start planning B-29 NOE raids?

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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 01:57:38 AM »
I think you're having bad luck. IMO balance isn't far enough in axis favor (and I flew B-29s today, also).

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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 11:38:24 AM »
I think you're having bad luck. IMO balance isn't far enough in axis favor (and I flew B-29s today, also).

You have got to be kidding me.  :rofl  Good one Krusty!
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 12:04:59 PM »
Seemed a little lopsided over the target   :noid

We started with 12 total bombers (4 formations) and 8 close escorts.  Some of the escort's icons aren't showing, but we had 8 KI84 and 22 N1K against our package of 12 pilots.
We had a good-sized fighter sweep ahead, but they were engaged by overwhelming forces and were either killed or just couldn't get back fast enough to help.
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 12:41:04 PM »
We encountered co-alt Japanese at 31/32K.

They can get up there and are much more deadly than is displayed on some performance chart.

I'm looking at options for frame 3. B-29s may get their ceiling raised.
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 02:28:38 PM »
Seemed a little lopsided over the target   :noid

We started with 12 total bombers (4 formations) and 8 close escorts.  Some of the escort's icons aren't showing, but we had 8 KI84 and 22 N1K against our package of 12 pilots.
We had a good-sized fighter sweep ahead, but they were engaged by overwhelming forces and were either killed or just couldn't get back fast enough to help.
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It wasn't that your fighter sweep was overwhelmed, they were just out of place. It appeared that the intent of the sweep was to draw the defenders of 31 eastward away from the base. A brief flash of A30 town gave away the position of the bombers, allowing the defenders to ignore your sweep and concentrate on the bombers.  I'm guessing, but I would bet that the total of each force was equal, it was just that the allied fighters were late to the battle giving the defenders free reign over the bombers.
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2011, 02:48:21 PM »
I'm guessing, but I would bet that the total of each force was equal, it was just that the allied fighters were late to the battle giving the defenders free reign over the bombers.

That was the 412th who is in roughly 6.6 area, we merged a couple times and we dropped our tanks. As soon as you guys had a location of our B-29s you just turned and sped off, We all gave chase but we couldn't catch you.
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2011, 03:00:37 PM »
This is why FSO is so cool.  Good planning, good communication, good squads - one small mistake (hopefully unseen by the enemy) unravels it all.   :D

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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2011, 04:55:09 PM »
The Axis CIC seemed to flood the area around 31 with large and deadly fighters.  As allied CIC I sent the fighters that I could but one of the strikes was over whelmed.  If it helps, the other strikes pushed to target because the resistanced centered on you.  :salute
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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2011, 06:48:09 PM »
Don't feel like you were the only one Viper, C77 had some serious enemy over it and the entire fleet was lost.

There were easily 36 enemy at 30K plus while we had 1 squad of 16 pilots near the CV to defend and another smaller squad of 4 NW looking for the bombers.

It was definately an overwhelming force for a boat, but, you can tell...   ...they REALLY wanted that boat down!!! 

Other than the scales tipped in the Axis favor regarding numbers, even if the sides were balanced, the Axis' plan to hit the CV was brilliant. 

But I do agree that the force that hit the CV was rather large.  We still had fun though.  In the future, I'd change the side balancing percentage by a little bit if possible.  40/60 did seem pretty high overall.

Still though, this has been a fun month so far.

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Re: side ratio's
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2011, 09:25:06 PM »
The Axis CIC seemed to flood the area around 31 with large and deadly fighters.  As allied CIC I sent the fighters that I could but one of the strikes was over whelmed.  If it helps, the other strikes pushed to target because the resistanced centered on you.  :salute

As CiC for the Axis of the first frame, this happened as well to allied bombers.
I thought that the Troop Factory was going to be a high priority target, and so I assigned the largest defense force there. The port and field A22 suffered because of that, getting hammered by B-29's, even though they had decent fighter defense.
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