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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2011, 03:42:58 PM »
Anyone dare to try this? I haven't. :)

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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2011, 05:56:31 PM »
The thing people dont realize is no matter what you power the cars with, there will be more and more arguments.


Example: If you made all cars electric, then you would need more coal to charge electric cars which means is more pollution.

Example: If you made all cars water powered, then the gov would make it illegal to use rain water and make you pay for water and we will run out of water eventually.

No matter what way you power a car its going to pollute more or cause more or new problems.


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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2011, 10:53:29 PM »
Dream on. This turkey was planned to be in operation by now but has slipped back to 2015. The cost is ballooning thw whole while and it's source is quite dirty (stimulus funds to BP plus a rate hike for the customers). As for the sequestration, you could do the same with any hydrocarb-burning system. This one is not special in that sense and that portion of the developemnt is all taxpayer-funded.

I haven't seen a decent cost analysis on it yet but suspect it will, if it's ever actually pushed through permitting, that process now in its fifth year, deliver a matginally higher cost per kwh than existing.

Otherwise, I'll just say that this big dream is a fine example of the best that the BP/DOE consortium can produce - which is kind of like calling it modern art.


 Its 1st location is on hold because of the treehuggers... so they found a new sight and reapplied for license and have started the process over again . They still have to do all the "studys" again.  Also the fact that proper legislation to regulate CCS. I'm sure there will be plenty more hoops.

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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2011, 11:30:22 PM »
The thing people dont realize is no matter what you power the cars with, there will be more and more arguments.


Example: If you made all cars electric, then you would need more coal to charge electric cars which means is more pollution.

Example: If you made all cars water powered, then the gov would make it illegal to use rain water and make you pay for water and we will run out of water eventually.

No matter what way you power a car its going to pollute more or cause more or new problems.


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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2011, 03:12:58 AM »
The issue of the need of another sources of energy to produce the hydrogen has been discussed. Hydrogen is just an energy storage technology, not an energy source.

On top of that, do you really want lots of cars driving around full of hydrogen? My only though is: "OH the humanity!"

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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2011, 04:22:16 AM »
Yes we do, must..have...fallout3...car nukes...must..have. :rock
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Re: Water as fuel, more controversial science.
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2011, 08:22:49 AM »
The thing people dont realize is no matter what you power the cars with, there will be more and more arguments.


Example: If you made all cars electric, then you would need more coal to charge electric cars which means is more pollution.

Example: If you made all cars water powered, then the gov would make it illegal to use rain water and make you pay for water and we will run out of water eventually.

No matter what way you power a car its going to pollute more or cause more or new problems.


-BigBOBCH

My thinking is that most of the "envronmental" concerns with cars are really just trumped up trojan horses. On balance, I'd say cars do very little damage to the environment throughout the entire value chain. Where ther eis damage, you can usually find, like in the BP case, either Federal failures or direct Federal involvement.

The thing that "some" of a particular stripe have with cars has much more to do with simple envy, a desire to confiscate other's property, and a generally hateful streak that despises the idea that somebody out there might be having some fun.

I have little doubt that a reasonably regulated market can provide whatever energy transitions will be required. Consider whaling. A combination of legislative and market pressures shut it down, for all practical purposes. The haters just need to stop hating and let the man drive whatever he chooses, subject to some basic safety standards.
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