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Offline Slade

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Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« on: April 16, 2011, 08:11:15 AM »
Hello,

I was wondering if you could help me understanding something please.

Why are 2 or more hot pads considered just one sortie?

I am not saying it is good or bad, just want to understand why.


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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 08:57:52 AM »
Because a sortie ends when you end it. It's the time between entering your plane and exiting. As long as you are not back in tower, you are still "in flight".
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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 09:53:46 AM »
Lusche,

Thanks I had to think about that a while.  I am slow.  Is that how they tended to do sorties in WWII, using hot pads?

In WWII, was it a Pacific theater practice vs. a European theater practice?

How did that work?

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 09:56:36 AM »
This has nothing to do with "real life". It's simply a gameplay definition, and it only has a meaning in terms of score.

In RL, hotpadding was sometimes used too, though of course it wasn't as quick as in Aces High. For example, late in the war fighters taking part in the Defense of the Reich would often land to refuel and rearm on a different field to attack the bombers again on their way back home. I don't know if those were counted as separate sorties, or if it did even matter at all.
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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 10:02:09 AM »
Lusche,

Thanks I had to think about that a while.  I am slow.  Is that how they tended to do sorties in WWII, using hot pads?

In WWII, was it a Pacific theater practice vs. a European theater practice?

How did that work?

Thanks again.




I think it depended more on theater of operation and what was happening at the time rather then a set policy.
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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2011, 10:04:19 AM »
Without refuel/rearm, you cannot ferry a plane............as they did in the war.

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2011, 10:05:24 AM »
In Viet Nam we did hot pad refueling when traveling cross country. No engine shut down just stick the fuel hose in the tank and fill er up. It was considered one sortie as I remember it.                     This was on UH-1N helicopter gun ships in the 20ths S.O.S. (Special Operations Squadron).

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2011, 03:09:49 PM »
They probably did that to keep down the medal count.

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2011, 03:37:02 PM »
From Wikipedia,

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In military aviation, it is used to indicate the total usages of individual machines, so that (for example) one mission involving six aircraft would tally six sorties.

The use of the term for military aircraft originated in naval usage. In French, sortie literally means "exit". It has evolved to mean a short period of conflict, as in the time when the vehicles and vessels are away from their carrier or local berth.

Seems to me that each time you roll down the runway for take off you should be starting a new sortie.

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2011, 03:52:12 PM »
In Viet Nam we did hot pad refueling when traveling cross country. No engine shut down just stick the fuel hose in the tank and fill er up. It was considered one sortie as I remember it.                     This was on UH-1N helicopter gun ships in the 20ths S.O.S. (Special Operations Squadron).

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM »
used hotpads ALL the time for base defence when flying a A20G

I wish the hot pad has a sound effect played with it.

I would change it to a nascar's sound of air wrenches, sounds of buzz saws and sledge hammers hitting metal. Maby with mixed human voices yelling things like "common get that ammo in faster, where the heck's that fuel truck!?" 28 seconds later end the sound clip with "GO GO GO!" Punch it and hit wep and off ye go.  :rock


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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2011, 06:00:00 PM »
best suggestion EVER!!!!  :aok
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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2011, 10:15:59 PM »
  It just takes too long. Id rather land, re-up.

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 10:25:49 PM »
Think of it as mid-air refueling.

I enjoy rearming. It's a great feature of the game. Then the takeoffs are fun in themselves.

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Re: Hot Pad vs. Sortie
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2011, 12:54:08 AM »
How else would you see a 163 on a front line field?