Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10, fighters to have

[M0nkey_Man]

Agreed, I posted a thread about the G.55 - I know its been asked a few times, however I am choosing the G.55 based on being a Late war Ride, it would be flown more then say something mid war like a P39. True its a stop gap for Scenarios, however you don't see many P39s in the Late War Arena.
I figure on betting people will more likely up a G.55, and hoping people would vote on it rather then another early war ride.

i kill 262 with P-39s, i have video proof too 

[AWwrgwy]

Regarding the Yak-3...this has been done to death. It would be almost identical to the Yak-9.

It would be smaller.

I think it would be slightly faster and more maneuverable.

How about a thread hijack?

Something I've wondered about late war uber-rides post war.....

I realise better, more modern jet aircraft were coming on the scene post war but where late war piston engined aircraft did see post war combat, where are some of these ultra-late war monsters?

Korea. P-51Ds. Not H's. Yak9U. Not Yak3.
No F8Fs. Replaced by F9Fs already.
What happened to all the P-63s in Manchuria? No resupplies I imagine.

I imagine between the end of manufacture and the speed of developing technology,they went away pretty fast.


wrongway

[matt]

Re-2005,Yak-3,G-55 fiat,Bf-109 G-10      

                                                 flak

[alpini13]

and yes when you look at data,YES you can focus on one area..in this case the best most advanced fighyers produced by italy in ww2...the series 5 fighters....it wouldnt be very smart to compare the most advaces fighter to a bi-plane....but that is just what that other fellow did.......well sure,we could have biplanes.....but i dont want them now..not until we get an axis heavy bomber,and axis transport,som tank destroyes and some self propelled guns.....oh yeah,and what this thread was about...the best fighters NOT in the game.

[Karnak]

Axis didn't have a functional heavy bomber.

There has never been a need for a side specific transport in AH.

You referenced the "20,000" Bf109s as a comparison, and I assure you they were not all Bf109K-4s or Bf109G-10s, thus we were not just talking about the best fighters produced. (Actual Bf109 production was over 30,000, fyi)

[EskimoJoe]

you guys can argue all day long.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.

Just FYI, you left your rights at the door when you signed up for a BBS account.

[alpini13]

    And so it comes back to production numbers...ok lets really look.  p-47m, 130 produced.ostwind,45 produced.wirblewind,85-105 produced.ta-152,43+6 prototypes produced. hmmm lets see...oh yeah, they are ALL in the game.  re-2005 48+4 prototypes...not in the game.   as for the question of an axis heavy bomber.....besides the he177 and the italian heavy bomber...your right,they didnt have a functioning heavy.....but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc.   the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??

[Karnak]

    And so it comes back to production numbers...ok lets really look.  p-47m, 130 produced.ostwind,45 produced.wirblewind,85-105 produced.ta-152,43+6 prototypes produced.

What you miss about every single one of those is that they used either significant portions of existing geometry, or in the P-47M's case 100% of an existing aircraft's geometry.  They were all cheap to add, workwise.  Compare that to the G.55 and Re2005, both would need to be built from scratch as they cannot use any existing geometry in the game.

hmmm lets see...oh yeah, they are ALL in the game.  re-2005 48+4 prototypes...not in the game.   as for the question of an axis heavy bomber.....besides the he177 and the italian heavy bomber...your right,they didnt have a functioning heavy.....but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc.   the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??

I have long advocated for the Ju188A.  It is a gorgeous bomber.  The Japanese H8K2 is another quasi-heavy that I have advocated for.  My problem with the He177 is that it was an absolute disaster of a weapons program in reality and in AH it might well be the best unperked bomber.  I don't like that sort of thing as it leads to a situation where it no longer feels like we're playing with WWII units.  The P.108 simply came very late and in very small numbers.

[alpini13]

i thought the yak-3 would be great for this game,it was feared by the luftwaffe for a bit and i believe they were told not to engage them.it was an upgrade to the yak-9 i believe in terms of pure dogfighter.....but of course the re-2005 is what i want to see first.

[Karnak]

i thought the yak-3 would be great for this game,it was feared by the luftwaffe for a bit and i believe they were told not to engage them.it was an upgrade to the yak-9 i believe in terms of pure dogfighter.....but of course the re-2005 is what i want to see first.

Depends on which Yak-9 we're talking about.  It was much better than a Yak-9 with a VK-105 engine, but a Yak-9U with the VK-107 was about as good.  It is too bad the Yak-3 with the VK-107 engine didn't make it in time for WWII.   That version had very impressive performance.

[PJ_Godzilla]

At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.

First, I agree that all the AC you cite would be great to have.

Second, I'm chuckling over the transit you're making between the concept of political freedom and the customer/provider relationship we have with HTC. The two are far different constructs.

Don't believe it? Go try telling your municipality you're dissatisfied with their services and that you'd like to cancel and try their competitor. Go try telling the IRS you'd like to "opt out" of the contract.

Third, I'm not sure the premise still applies anyway - but we'd probably best to not get into the whole dependency culture thing, for fear of a wooden Skuzzy shampoo.

Fourth, KEEP PUSHING FOR THESE FABULOUS AXIS RIDES - especially my pet lost cause, the G-10.
 

[Ardy123]

.At the end of the day this country is about freedom..freedom of choice for one.and suppresion of real aircraft that were at the time considered the best in the line is a slap in the face to all those who fought in them and against them,and to the concept of freedom in the USA.freedom to choose what we fly.

say wha????

Freedom to babel about nothing?

I'm sure the authors of the bill of rights thought that they had to construct it so that HTC will ensure freedom of cartoon ww2 aircraft

[alpini13]

  To respond to PJgodzilla and a few other about freedom....first,i have no mortgage,no water bill,no sewer bill,no creditcard debt,no loans,no car paymnets....i have a large property with house on a mountain overlookin a lake,and have to pay taxes.even though i paid cash for all of this,if i fail to pay taxes,it all gets taken away,you dont own land in the usa..you only rent it.....so will we ALL are only renting to various degrees,i want to have fun...and this is the only online game i have ever played. and i would love to see these and other great planes in it.
 LOL  i guess i have too much time on my hands <S>

[Ack-Ack]

 but they sure had better bombers than the ju-88......in quantity... check ju-188,do-217,etc.   the fw200,he-111,do-17 had the same role as the ju-88........oh but wait...didnt they have a ju-88 without a glass nose and a bunch of cannon??

The FW 200 was the "Condor", it was not a bomber but rather a civilian passenger aircraft pressed into service that served as a long range recce/anti-maritime patrol craft and was not comparable to the Ju 88 in any shape or form and was not better than the Ju 88 as a bomber.  The only thing the Condor had on the Ju 88 was that it could stay in the air for a lot longer period of time, that's it.

Do some research into the planes you wish for.

ack-ack

[PJ_Godzilla]

  To respond to PJgodzilla and a few other about freedom....first,i have no mortgage,no water bill,no sewer bill,no creditcard debt,no loans,no car paymnets....i have a large property with house on a mountain overlookin a lake,and have to pay taxes.even though i paid cash for all of this,if i fail to pay taxes,it all gets taken away,you dont own land in the usa..you only rent it.....so will we ALL are only renting to various degrees,i want to have fun...and this is the only online game i have ever played. and i would love to see these and other great planes in it.
 LOL  i guess i have too much time on my hands <S>

Well, you make yet another point in the direction of my allusion to "the premise" - see above. As I say, i'm not sure what any of that has to do with the customer/provider relationship b/w us/you and HTC.