New halftrack (3 part wish)

[Debrody]

I think the new gv system is only to make modelling GVs easyer. I bet there will be a couple new gvs in the next patch. Cant wait for it  : )

[Reaper90]

Mobelwagen with 88mm flak gun? Solves the "towed gun" issue with dismounting, setting up, etc...

[waystin2]

The impact that HTC uses as criteria for perking and ENY values is really hard for me to completely extrapolate as I do not completely understand or know it.  As I understand the process, it boils down to it overwhelmingly killing more than it's being killed.  This is not happening at this time.  Further HTC adjusted it's ENY lower last year if I am correct which is already a limiter of some sort.  Perking the Wirbelwind for declining use of the M-16 & Ostwind (both of which I still use on occasion) is like perking a heavily used plane like a Pony D because C.202's are not flown enough.  The logic escapes me.

I like your ideas for the half-track variants and would love to see them added.

The other ideas need something more to back them up.

 

Way

[Reaper90]

The impact that HTC uses as criteria for perking and ENY values is really hard for me to completely extrapolate as I do not completely understand or know it.  As I understand the process, it boils down to it overwhelmingly killing more than it's being killed.  This is not happening at this time.  Further HTC adjusted it's ENY lower last year if I am correct which is already a limiter of some sort.  Perking the Wirbelwind for declining use of the M-16 & Ostwind (both of which I still use on occasion) is like perking a heavily used plane like a Pony D because C.202's are not flown enough.  The logic escapes me.

I would imagine the mobile AA platforms are a little more difficult to measure as they're GV's that are meant for killing aircraft and not other GV's.... yet they're killed by aircraft as well as GV's, but not by other mobile AA platforms (except on rare occasions).

I would imagine to measure its performance relative to other mobile AA you'd need to eliminate any kills on it by tanks, field ack, etc..... and I bet if you did that it would clearly show that the Wirby is to the M16/Osti as the Tiger is to the M4/Panzer...... and definitely "perk worthy."

[waystin2]

I would imagine the mobile AA platforms are a little more difficult to measure as they're GV's that are meant for killing aircraft and not other GV's.... yet they're killed by aircraft as well as GV's, but not by other mobile AA platforms (except on rare occasions).

I would imagine to measure its performance relative to other mobile AA you'd need to eliminate any kills on it by tanks, field ack, etc..... and I bet if you did that it would clearly show that the Wirby is to the M16/Osti as the Tiger is to the M4/Panzer...... and definitely "perk worthy."

It is the top AA platform inside of 1.5k.  Which means it tops the M-16.  Outside of that range the Ostwind is king.  I think of them more as role players and not "use this vehicle" all the time.  Here is what I mean: the M-16 is fast reaction AA and anti-troop firepower in the short range say 1.0k or less, Wirbelwind is the best for repelling field cappers and base attackers that are at low altitude inside 1.5k, Ostwind is best for use against high altitude attackers and heavily armored or dangerous attack planes such as the IL-2 and the A-20 up to alts of 4.0k or more.  The premise of the Op is lumping them altogether, then another person is applying the Tiger comparison.  I still am only hearing perk it, but no reasoning or numbers to do so.  Perks and ENY are simply not figured the way you are describing.

 

Way

[Krusty]

The ostwind is nearly useless against targets outside of 1.5k as well. It was the king when compared to the M16, but only for lack of other options.


Waystin, I think you're misunderstanding me... To use your example: I'm not saying "Because the c2, perk the P51d"... I'd be saying "Because the P-51D is top dog, does it all, is hard to kill and kills easily, with the most kills of any other type similar to it, PERK IT, and hey, if they want a free ride, they can fly the C2"

That would be closer to what I'm suggesting.

So you can see where if you want that extra armor you up the Tigr, but pay perks for it, while if you don't have the perks you up the panzer4 and still are nearly as effective. Right?

The same relationship would be in effect for the Sd Kfz 7/1 and the wirbl.



P.S. I remind you, the wirb has 90.9090... percent of of the mobile AA kills in this game, and that's just a recent tour's example (20,000 kills out of 22,000 total, give or take). I really do think we need the Sd Kfz 7 and its variants, but with the addition of the 4x20mm on a soft chassis, the super-uber-never-reloads wirbl chassis is over powered.

P.P.S. I also further remind you that which you already know, but others may have forgotten: With a 1.7K lethal range, they can kill a plane before the plane gets icon on them. They are rather destabilizing to air battles considering the best way to kill them is via another GV.

[Krusty]

Mobelwagen with 88mm flak gun? Solves the "towed gun" issue with dismounting, setting up, etc...

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I just threw up in my mouth a little...

[Reaper90]

I just threw up in my mouth a little...

  WHY?

[Krusty]

It's smurfy!! If we have to wait to deploy, heck I'd wait as long as I look cool while doing it!

[waystin2]

Hey Krusty,

I will say that if it is perked or not it means little to me.  Guess I was just Devil's Advocating a bit.  I have over 12k in GV perks at this point so a small perk may put my services more in demand.  Enjoy a good civil conversation anytime Sir.

 

Way

[Krusty]

No worries... It wouldn't make or break the wish either way to perk the wirb afterwards

P.S. "smurfy" now replaces the word that stands for eff-ugly?

[Noir]

+1 on all of this

[Bronk]

Ok folks mark your calendar.
Krusty, brilliant and well thought out post.

[IrishOne]

Ok folks mark your calendar.
Krusty, brilliant and well thought out post.

i threw all my calendars away.   another thread says the world is ending, and you KNOW if it's said on the AH2 BBS, it's GOTTA be true. 


P.S. i really like the idea, the more content the better!   

[sparow]

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