New halftrack (3 part wish)

[waystin2]

Ok folks mark your calendar.
Krusty, brilliant and well thought out post.

I believe that the Mayans predicted this...

[Vinkman]

Ask lusche about the impact it has had on gameplay... It has taken over 90% of all AA kills from the Ostwind and M16. It's as if you introduced the Spit16 and then 9 out of every 10 planes in the game you ran across were spit16s. Even the CHOG got perked with "only" 20% use... This is by far the most lethal AA platform we have.

The Sd Kfz 7 is still needed. Were we to get the 7/1 setup there is no reason to logically suggest in any way that the Wirb (as modeled now) should go unperked, hence I added that as a follow-on wish.

It all presupposes adding this other vehicle. What would be interesting is having the same chassis with both 37mm and 4x20mm options for the gun.


That brings me to another question: Why aren't the Wirb and Osty on the same vehicle? Why are they separate instead of 2 gun options on the same hangar option?

  Good post, good idea. but there is kind of a conflicting issue here....

I would agree that the WW rates as perk worthy based on it rendering the other AA vehicle useless by comparison.
I think the changes you suggest about gun loading would make it more realistic, which is always good in AH. Fire rate would then be very interesting. An M16 might then be prefered because of the ability to stream 4 .50cals. without reloading. Would this cost the WW it's perk worthiness? If you add the new halftrack version, the WW would still be prefered due to the toughness. I think the gun reload change weakens the case for the Perked WW. If you don't perk the WW, this half track would get little use. So would folks pay perks for a defanged WW? Maybe a low perk would sort it out?

+1 

[kvuo75]

I like everything in the wish, except for perking the ostwind. 

There are few enough of us ostwind diehards as is.

I knew the wirb was being used ALOT, but jeezus.. 90% of the kills? that does sound perkworthy, or at least moving the eny down to 5-10 range
 

[SmokinLoon]

Having only 3 mobile AA platforms in the game it is going to be easy to pick which one is easiest to use.

If the game only have the Spit16, Spit9, and Spit5, which one would get used %90 the time??? 

If anything (and w/o looking them up), change the ENY of the Wirblewind to 5, the Ostwind to 20, and the M16 to 30.  Forget adding a perk cost.   

[Shiva]

-1 to perking Wirbel's or Osties.  Need some reasoning for this idea.

The fact that the Germans only made about a hundred Wirbelwinds, and half that many Ostwinds?

[oakranger]

+1

[waystin2]

The fact that the Germans only made about a hundred Wirbelwinds, and half that many Ostwinds?

Rarity of a vehicle/plane is not the only criteria used by HTC to decide perks, if at all.  Note the TA-152.  Even lower production numbers than the Wirbelwind and the Ostwind.

[Skyguns MKII]

+1 to all

besides, the wirbelwonder is WAAAAY over powered, Any firearm clip/mag fed in the game should be simulated as if they were. When the wirbel came out the m16 nearly became a hanger queen. The M16 would see more action with this added i would imagine since its probably faster to reload than the wirbel and has a larger ammo capacity in its drums. Ostwind would pwn all once more! 

[Eric122]

+1 for the towed 88. id use that more than anything. could use that as AA or anti-tank gun. the other variants proposed are uselss

[gyrene81]

+1 to all

besides, the wirbelwonder is WAAAAY over powered, Any firearm clip/mag fed in the game should be simulated as if they were. When the wirbel came out the m16 nearly became a hanger queen. The M16 would see more action with this added i would imagine since its probably faster to reload than the wirbel and has a larger ammo capacity in its drums. Ostwind would pwn all once more! 

the m45 quad and m33 twin 50 mount had what was known as "tombstone drums" with a capacity of 200 rounds per can (80 rounds more than a standard 50 cal ammo canister)...the cans were mounted on the bottom of the feed drum...extra canisters of ammuntion were carried in the back of the vehicle.

the 30 cal browning on the m3 and shermans should have 250 rounds per can...


for the ground vehicles with belt fed or magazine fed weapons...it would be very nice if there were ammo stores on the vehicles and a reload time after the ammunition in a can or magazine is used...instead of what currently exists in game.

[SpencAce]

+1 for all

[SpencAce]

+1 for all

[Skyguns MKII]

the m45 quad and m33 twin 50 mount had what was known as "tombstone drums" with a capacity of 200 rounds per can (80 rounds more than a standard 50 cal ammo canister)...the cans were mounted on the bottom of the feed drum...extra canisters of ammunition were carried in the back of the vehicle.

the 30 cal browning on the m3 and Sherman's should have 250 rounds per can...


for the ground vehicles with belt fed or magazine fed weapons...it would be very nice if there were ammo stores on the vehicles and a reload time after the ammunition in a can or magazine is used...instead of what currently exists in game.

very educational, thankyou 

[SlapShot]

Waystin, if you have ever flown within 2k of a wirble and been single-ping-killed you'd know.

The term "single-ping" is so overused and rarely ever describes what really happened ... I am surprised you used the term.

If 1 single 20mm/37mm hits you in the head, you will never hear the other 20mm/37mm rounds hit your plane.

+1 to your wishes with the exception of perking ... -100 on that

I like everything in the wish, except for perking the ostwind. 

There are few enough of us ostwind diehards as is.

I knew the wirb was being used ALOT, but jeezus.. 90% of the kills? that does sound perkworthy, or at least moving the eny down to 5-10 range
 

That only means that 90% of people attacking, with wirbles in the area, did not respect the wirble or just have no clue on how to attack and when to avoid.

The wirble is a force to be reckoned with which only means that one has to be more careful and pay attention when they are around.

[Raphael]