Hitch-hiker vs. POW

[Ack-Ack]

Those 2 guys he tried to pick up musta been really heavy. No wonder they didn't make it back to friendly lines, even on foot.

Dumb fat Germans. 

 

The extra weight plus the soft ground in the farm field prevented the Stuka from being able to roll for take off. 

ack-ack

[tmetal]

I read it all ack-ack, and I do recall the specific part you are talking about. One of his best liked rear gunners drowned in a river they tried to swim across.  However, if I recall correctly (been awhile since I read the book) there were other occasions he mentions where he landed to pick up downed pilots or he detailed one of his other pilots to land and pick them up, he just went into less detail because those instances were less eventful. (for such a remarkable pilot, his book is very thin on descriptive details) So yes, you are right that on that occasion he landed and got stuck in the soft mud and was unable to even start rolling again (even after taking off the dust guards for the wheels), but that one failure doesn't mean it was never done successfully.

gyrene - yup there is already a good deal of squeaking, whining, and armchair generaling (btw, that last phrase felt as stupid to type as it is to read, sorry about that) and of course a rescue feature would create more but hell, there are people out there whining right now about the latest feature/update (GV changes) and there was plenty of whining about the ones before that. Unfortunately it will always be a part of the game.  But you also have to look at the up side to it. wouldn't a lot people at least like to have the opportunity to be rescued rather than captured? (I know there have been a few times that I would have liked to call up a squad member on vox for a ride back to base) And I am sure there would be players/squads that would make a name for themselves as good rescue pilots "sweet! pilot xyz is on our country tonight! he almost always responds to rescue requests." much like there are people out there who see a 262 cutting through a furball and downing planes on almost every pass and think "*%#&, I bet that is Grizz in the 262 coming at me" or the respect people show the 91st HBG when they put together one of their large missions, respect from both sides of the mission.  There is already a number of people (yes me included) who will drive/fly GV supplies out to a downed vehicle to "rescue" that driver from a ditch landing or a death landing. The way I see it, this wouldn't be all that much different in principle.

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[ink]

I read it all ack-ack, and I do recall the specific part you are talking about. One of his best liked rear gunners drowned in a river they tried to swim across.  However, if I recall correctly (been awhile since I read the book) there were other occasions he mentions where he landed to pick up downed pilots or he detailed one of his other pilots to land and pick them up, he just went into less detail because those instances were less eventful. (for such a remarkable pilot, his book is very thin on descriptive details) So yes, you are right that on that occasion he landed and got stuck in the soft mud and was unable to even start rolling again (even after taking off the dust guards for the wheels), but that one failure doesn't mean it was never done successfully.

gyrene - yup there is already a good deal of squeaking, whining, and armchair generaling (btw, that last phrase felt as stupid to type as it is to read, sorry about that) and of course a rescue feature would create more but hell, there are people out there whining right now about the latest feature/update (GV changes) and there was plenty of whining about the ones before that. Unfortunately it will always be a part of the game.  But you also have to look at the up side to it. wouldn't a lot people at least like to have the opportunity to be rescued rather than captured? (I know there have been a few times that I would have liked to call up a squad member on vox for a ride back to base) And I am sure there would be players/squads that would make a name for themselves as good rescue pilots "sweet! pilot xyz is on our country tonight! he almost always responds to rescue requests." much like there are people out there who see a 262 cutting through a furball and downing planes on almost every pass and think "*%#&, I bet that is Grizz in the 262 coming at me" or the respect people show the 91st HBG when they put together one of their large missions, respect from both sides of the mission.  There is already a number of people (yes me included) who will drive/fly GV supplies out to a downed vehicle to "rescue" that driver from a ditch landing or a death landing. The way I see it, this wouldn't be all that much different in principle.

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[gyrene81]

   ok ink was bored        

[Masherbrum]

Hello,

   I have been asking around my squad and the late war room and have been
getting nothing but positive feedback...

For a possible, upcoming patch make it possible for friendly
aircraft/vehicles to pick up other pilots/drivers who have ditched. This
would be able to let the "ditchee" get back to base and cash in points as
well as mimmick real actions that were taken in the war. Maybe for an additional bonus, count the extra body, in a plane, for
instance to be counted as an additional kill for whoever is lucky enough to
be in the area and take the shot.

Thank you for your time.

V/r HOWLR

 

[flakmgc]

Reaper90...Looks like you should consider hanging out with another country if you don't trust them in your plane. Gyrene81, you're an idiot...flat out. No I am not recommending you go look solely for downed pilots, unless your mental capacity gets maxed out from that SO-STRENUOUS TASK. On the other hand, there were little light civil a/c out there that were...1.scouts, 2."a hey! I'm just flyin' by so get the hell in and dodge the bullets" plane. It's about the same as a Skytrain. No guns, just a school bus...If you made it home, lucky you. Let alone, with extra boots. The scoring thing? Really, let HiTech's guys deal with that when and IF that time comes. DemonFox and Tmetal thank you for your positive imput...Oh, if you see me walking as you dip your wing, I'll be doing this to get your attention...

[icepac]

My dad's buddy pulled it off in a skyraider.

[Reaper90]

The extra weight plus the soft ground in the farm field prevented the Stuka from being able to roll for take off. 

ack-ack

I'd imagine it was 100% soft ground and 0% extra weight. If a Ju-87 can take off from a prepared surface with  1800+ kg of ordinance, an extra 300-350 pounds of stranded kraut is not gonna slow them down. If that bird couln't get airborne with all three or four of them in there, it wasn't getting airborne with any of them in there.

[Reaper90]

Reaper90...Looks like you should consider hanging out with another country if you don't trust them in your plane.

 

I'd only likely feel safer with another country because I know I am not, and have not decended from, sheep.

I was just being a smart-azz, too, I am 100% FOR your wish.

If the search was functioning (and being used properly) you'd see I myself have asked for this same thing in the past.

[gyrene81]

Reaper90...Looks like you should consider hanging out with another country if you don't trust them in your plane. Gyrene81, you're an idiot...flat out. No I am not recommending you go look solely for downed pilots, unless your mental capacity gets maxed out from that SO-STRENUOUS TASK. On the other hand, there were little light civil a/c out there that were...1.scouts, 2."a hey! I'm just flyin' by so get the hell in and dodge the bullets" plane. It's about the same as a Skytrain. No guns, just a school bus...If you made it home, lucky you. Let alone, with extra boots. The scoring thing? Really, let HiTech's guys deal with that when and IF that time comes. DemonFox and Tmetal thank you for your positive imput...Oh, if you see me walking as you dip your wing, I'll be doing this to get your attention...

lmao, that's rich...i like to use the time i have available in ah to do something besides navigate my cartoon pilot around in the bushes waiting on someone to come by in a plane capable of carrying more than 1 person, land and pick my toon pilot up, then fly for god knows how long just to get back to a friendly base for no real purpose other than to say something like "that was cool"...and i'm an idiot     

obviously the milliseconds it takes to end sortie and end up back in the tower escapes some people...try again...and really think about it this time. the only way your "brilliant" idea would work would be to have some incentive for the person taking the risk to "rescue" someone...maybe split rescued person's perk points. in gv battles, the only people who would be interested in being "rescued" would be those whose vehicles were disabled and they had a few kills to land and no supplies were available...even then, if no one else was around, it's a waiting game and you can count the number of people with that much patience on your little toes.

[Reaper90]

lmao, that's rich...i like to use the time i have available in ah to do something besides navigate my cartoon pilot around in the bushes waiting on someone to come by in a plane capable of carrying more than 1 person, land and pick my toon pilot up, then fly for god knows how long just to get back to a friendly base for no real purpose other than to say something like "that was cool"...and i'm an idiot     

obviously the milliseconds it takes to end sortie and end up back in the tower escapes some people...try again...and really think about it this time. the only way your "brilliant" idea would work would be to have some incentive for the person taking the risk to "rescue" someone...maybe split rescued person's perk points. in gv battles, the only people who would be interested in being "rescued" would be those whose vehicles were disabled and they had a few kills to land and no supplies were available...even then, if no one else was around, it's a waiting game and you can count the number of people with that much patience on your little toes.

The advantage to the "rescue" concept in-game would be that for the fighter guys it would create a whole new opportunity to shoot things down. The things that immediately comes to mind are the huge engagements during the Vietnam war that began as recue missions to try and collect downed airmen behind enemy lines. Yes, I watched the movie "Bat 21" a few times. 

So you don't care about being captured and will just ".ef" every time. There are plenty who wouldn't. Give people the opportunity to go get them. If you're the guy who shot down the guy who now needs to be rescued after bailing, you still get the kill message "You shot down XXXXX" - if he's a score tard and you recognize his name, you can be sure that he doesn't want to hurt that k/d and score, and a rescue will be on its way very soon.... now you have the chance to ambush and kill his squaddies and foil their rescue! That pilot running around on the ground just became your BAIT!!

As far as making it worthwhile for the rescuer, award s few perk points, just as you would get for resupplying a field or dropping a unmanned ground target.

[perdue3]

Picking up hitch hikers?

I can hear the discussion in the O'Club now....

"Where's HOWLR?"

"Didn't you hear?"

"No, what happened?"

"Oh gosh, he left out of here yesterday in his M3, and never came back. They went looking for him this morning and found his M3 abandoned at a truck stop with him bound, gagged, and ...um... violated, stuffed in the tool box in the back." 

I know enough of my fellow knits..... I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable putting many of them in my M3 or Jeep with me! 

 

You wouldn't wanna ride in my 251?

[icepac]

Here's the wikipedia entry with the skyraider rescue story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_F._Fisher

Here's the plane but I'm pretty sure it was crashed on a different mission.



This plane was restored and is in the dayton museum.



Interestingly enough, both of the guys who did this previously in a p38 were also involved in the skyraider rescue.

http://www.flightjournal.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=F999E8C39FCE47DEB4CDBABBFBF37179&nm=The+Magazine&type=PubPagi&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle+Title&mid=13B2F0D0AFA04476A2ACC02ED28A405F&tier=4&id=3F13A9D82704401F820A440B3DE5D0C5

[ImADot]

Ok, cool.  So this happened on rare occasions.  Why should HTC waste resources to add this to the game when they won't add rare airplanes that didn't see combat in squadron strength?  I just don't see the value added.  Again, just because it happened in the real life-or-death war doesn't mean it makes sense in a video game.

The arguement about it generating more fights is weak too.  Would you circle around someone you just shot down in the hopes that some un-armed or lightly-armed airplane will be along shortly to pick him up?  What's to keep him from towering out after running you low on fuel, or being the bait as 6 of his friends in perked planes come to gang you while you're circling him and burning fuel waiting for the impending "easy kill" on the rescue plane?

[icepac]

Because most of what is needed already exists within the game.

The hardest part would be the scoring.