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Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« on: May 12, 2011, 09:57:34 PM »
I was thinking about this the other day and I thought I might share. Dueling same plane duels just don't do it for me (cos I'm a crap pilot) and I thought of a handicap system based on MA ENY values. The combatants would be unaware what aircraft each choose and would continue over 5 battles. So if you turn up in a 5 ENY plane and your opponent has a 30 ENY plane:
You win you get 0.1666 points
You lose he gets 6 points
Most points after five duels wins, its a gamble and could produce some great "Oh Chit" moments.
thoughts?
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2011, 10:03:41 PM »
 I like it :)

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2011, 10:05:33 PM »
So if you turn up in a 5 ENY plane and your opponent has a 30 ENY plane:
You win you get 0.1666 points
You lose he gets 6 points

Math?


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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2011, 10:11:05 PM »
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2011, 10:32:04 PM »
This actually sounds like a decent idea. Heck, make an event out of it and I would sign up :aok
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2011, 10:32:52 PM »
5/30=0.166666
30/5=6

Logic?

6/0.166666 = ~36
30/5 = 6

Why would ENY difference of 6 times make up 36 times difference in score?

1 point or 6...

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2011, 10:47:52 PM »
Logic?

6/0.166666 = ~36
30/5 = 6

Why would ENY difference of 6 times make up 36 times difference in score?

1 point or 6...

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2011, 10:57:12 PM »
You will be in your LALA all the time anyway

"Extending" works best in LALA. Unfortunately my memory doesn't allow for return. Haters everywhere  :O

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2011, 10:59:58 PM »
Based on MA ENY values huh?

Okay. P-51D vs. 109K4.

Get the picture?



I was thinking about this the other day and I thought I might share. Dueling same plane duels just don't do it for me (cos I'm a crap pilot) and I thought of a handicap system based on MA ENY values. The combatants would be unaware what aircraft each choose and would continue over 5 battles. So if you turn up in a 5 ENY plane and your opponent has a 30 ENY plane:
You win you get 0.1666 points
You lose he gets 6 points
Most points after five duels wins, its a gamble and could produce some great "Oh Chit" moments.
thoughts?
"Crikey, sir. I'm looking forward to today. Up diddly up, down diddly down, whoops, poop, twiddly dee - decent scrap with the fiendish Red Baron - bit of a jolly old crash landing behind enemy lines - capture, torture, escape, and then back home in time for tea and medals."

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2011, 11:03:13 PM »
Based on MA ENY values huh?

Okay. P-51D vs. 109K4.

Get the picture?



well it exposes chitty ENY values
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2011, 11:07:35 PM »
Based on MA ENY values huh?

Okay. P-51D vs. 109K4.

Get the picture?



also guesstimating your opponents choice comes into it, if you know he's a good K4 stick you might want to accomodate for it.
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2011, 11:16:19 PM »
ENY is not meant to be a reflection of a plane's ability Co-E duelling. The SpitV would easily out-duel many late war birds, but it would be ridiculous to have it as 5 eny in the LWMA.

Which is not to say I think the ENY system makes complete sense, but as a numerical reference for "handicapping" the fights, its way off.
"Crikey, sir. I'm looking forward to today. Up diddly up, down diddly down, whoops, poop, twiddly dee - decent scrap with the fiendish Red Baron - bit of a jolly old crash landing behind enemy lines - capture, torture, escape, and then back home in time for tea and medals."

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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2011, 11:20:43 PM »
maybe we could agree on a different handicap then, maybe a scale of 1 to 10. I only used ENY as an example because the figures are all there. A spitV though may be able to out turn say a pony but the pony can extend, gain alt and the BnZ the spit. Not perfect but its just an idea for something different.
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 12:50:44 AM »
maybe we could agree on a different handicap then, maybe a scale of 1 to 10. I only used ENY as an example because the figures are all there. A spitV though may be able to out turn say a pony but the pony can extend, gain alt and the BnZ the spit. Not perfect but its just an idea for something different.

Actually, it can't, unless you want 45 minute "duels" that mostly consist of of one guy running away from his opponent in a high speed climb  The difference in energy performance must be fairly extreme for the higher-wingloading plane to gain an advantage from a co-e merge on any reasonable timescale, especially as the lighter loaded plane will tend to retain airspeed better when pulling Gs.

If you think the co-alt co-e merge duel thing is getting abit stale and unrealistic, one could mix things up abit by taking a cue from college wrestling. Instead of all the merges being co-alt and co-e, you could have 10,000/5000 foot merges-I.E, players would take turns having the disadvantage in some of the duels. Now, one could arrange a point system to where winning from a neutral start was worth 1 point, winning from the advantage was worth .5 points, and reversing the situation and winning from disadvantage was worth 2...make sense?

But then again, things are probably fine just the way they are.  :D
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Re: Thoughts on a different type of dueling competition.
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2011, 01:45:27 AM »
It was more the idea of the unknown and the gamble I was trying to get at, and a somewhat fair way to use different aircraft.
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