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Offline doomed

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Re: to go back and fight
« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2011, 08:15:58 PM »
Gyreneplease don't get high and mighty with me sir. Remember I know you and you have never been in comatose so don't go acting like you have. Lol wow. Now me I hate to say old friend you don't know or know what I've seen or done so get over it.
Sorry but your response is exactly what my post was about for god sakes lol.
If you want to get that self righteous then what are any of you doing a game that promotes a warlike game atmosphere.  Shouldn't you be playing sims or something cuz at least that's peacefull and nobody can get upset.   All in fun buddy but relax this is a game of make believe played by fake fighter pilots.

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« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2011, 08:16:05 PM »
War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
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« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2011, 08:37:08 PM »
Forgive my typing I'm on a droid phone in the sleeper of my truck at a watering hole and the phone likes to make up words for me lol. Tar tar check ha later. All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?

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« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2011, 09:05:07 PM »
Forgive my typing I'm on a droid phone in the sleeper of my truck at a watering hole and the phone likes to make up words for me lol. Tar tar check ha later. All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?
ok that explains the word comatose...i don't recall even using the word around here. if you meant combat, ok...i wasn't ordered to. did volunteer...did have a few random shots fired at me...buried some people i served with in 83...got out before anything else happened. we all know it's just a game and we're all playing war hero (at least i hope that's the case)...but that is what makes it ok, nobody is getting hurt for real, nobody dies when you fire cartoon bullets at them.

since i now realize you missed it, read the op's quoted text that i replied to again...should we assume since you never served, that you wouldn't fight for your country if called upon to do it?

or maybe you should assume that all the people who have a firm grasp of the reality that war is not a matter for day dreams of battlefield heroics just because you can stick stir a cartoon airplane around the cartoon skies wouldn't fight for their countries if called upon to do so...
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Re: to go back and fight
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2011, 09:19:24 PM »
War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.

Debrody,  :salute to you, Sir, and your grandfather, God rest his Soul.  :salute
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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2011, 09:21:56 PM »
War is real sad. My greatfather was fighting on the eastern front, at "the curve of the river Don", where the second hungarian army was sacrafised to cover the german retreat after Stalingrad. He was captured by the russians, but he managed to escape. 2 years later he was shot down by the russians, 3 kilometers from his village. He left behind a wife and 3 children. I dont wanna go back and kill people.
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Re: to go back and fight
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2011, 09:36:07 PM »
"All I'm saying is if a make believe question about war upsets everyone how is it playing a game that simulates war and death ok to play.?" Posted by Doomed.
 
I agree with you on this one Doomed. Everybody is so self righteous about this. While I volunteered and served, but never had to go overseas I was lucky in that regard. I am sure that war is hell and would be truly horrific no matter what side you were on, but obviously most of us have some sort of war fantasy life or we wouldn't be here in the first place. While I am sure that if I had been there I would have wished anything but, yet from a historical fantasy sense I have always wondered at the doggedness and stubborness of the Germans when they were facing the full weight of Red Army with little fuel and no supplies. (I can see the opposing point of view from the Russians during the first part of the German-Russian war or the Brits during the Battle of Britain). So I guess that in a fantasy sense I would have wanted to have been a Tiger commander on the Eastern Front. Would I truly have enjoyed it in reality? Probably not even for a second. Do I support the goals and methods of the Third Reich? No way! But do I admire the fighting spirit of the way that the German Army fought? From a purely military point of view, yes I do. I guess that is why I fly mostly Luftwaffe and why I joined your old squad, JG77. Thanks for pointing out the phony hyperbole coming from the same guys that "fight" with and alongside us each evening in our fantasy world called Aces High.

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2011, 09:59:29 PM »
What a bunch of politically correct panzies in here. You guys must spend your days watching soaps and Hallmark dramas.

Yea, we know that war was hell. But some people don't spend their lives cowering in fear over what might happen.

"there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter."   -Ernest Hemingway

And here is another taste of reality for you.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/War_Gives_Meaning.html

Now to answer the OPs question, if someone told me I could fly a ww2 fighter in combat for at least 6 months but I would pay for it with my life at the end of it, I would sure as hell go. For that matter, I would likely go even if it meant I would only be a grunt on the ground. Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afgan. Would I kill an innocent in cold blood? F no. Do I fear the carnage of war? F NO.

I love how everyone on this forum takes everything so damned serious and to the furthest extreme possible.  I knew the second I seen your post what would be said lol spec sad.
Was just a fun what-if question. People need to not take themselves so freaking serious. Geees

You hit the nail on the head with this one Doomed.
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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2011, 10:24:15 PM »
What a bunch of politically correct panzies in here. You guys must spend your days watching soaps and Hallmark dramas.
What you call "panzies" most would call thinking with brains rather than with balls.  Balls are really, really bad at thinking.
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« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2011, 10:36:54 PM »
What you call "panzies" most would call thinking with brains rather than with balls.  Balls are really, really bad at thinking.

Didnt anyone tell you? You could have gotten in line for both!
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« Reply #55 on: May 19, 2011, 10:44:03 PM »
"there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter."   -Ernest Hemingway

He hits the nail on the head there. Man's evolution was shaped by weaponry and hunting. His first tools were weapons. The hunting party fostered communication and brotherhood amongst what otherwise would have been squabbling apes. Protein fueled the growth of larger brains. Man's most fulfilling duty is as the hunter, and if there is danger, so much the better.

But if the thrill of hunting other men is the tastiest of all, it is also perversion. To kill an animal for food is communion with the cycle of life, to shoot those perverse souls who would assault your person or property is necessary, to wound or kill a hated enemy in mutually consensual combat is perhaps not too bad. But to kill someone you have never met and likely is not such a bad fellow because the natural enemy of man, the state, has willed it so-what a horrible circumstance to find yourself in, even on the rare occasions (like WWII) when it is necessary.

Most men have courage to venture their lives if need be, yet most men seem to also have grave doubts about their physical courage and the need to "prove" it hardwired into their DNA. I am long past having anything to prove in that regard.
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« Reply #56 on: May 19, 2011, 10:55:05 PM »
He hits the nail on the head there. Man's evolution was shaped by weaponry and hunting. His first tools were weapons. The hunting party fostered communication and brotherhood amongst what otherwise would have been squabbling apes. Protein fueled the growth of larger brains. Man's most fulfilling duty is as the hunter, and if there is danger, so much the better.

But if the thrill of hunting other men is the tastiest of all, it is also perversion. To kill an animal for food is communion with the cycle of life, to shoot those perverse souls who would assault your person or property is necessary, to wound or kill a hated enemy in mutually consensual combat is perhaps not too bad. But to kill someone you have never met and likely is not such a bad fellow because the natural enemy of man, the state, has willed it so-what a horrible circumstance to find yourself in, even on the rare occasions (like WWII) when it is necessary.

Most men have courage to venture their lives if need be, yet most men seem to also have grave doubts about their physical courage and the need to "prove" it hardwired into their DNA. I am long past having anything to prove in that regard.

You are so cool. Tell us more about your past life as a WWII fighter pilot.  :x

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« Reply #57 on: May 19, 2011, 10:56:33 PM »
I was also just reminded of a quote from Eddie Rickenbacker, highest scoring American ace in WW1.

"There is no 'after the war' for a fighter pilot"

Translation, HE LIKED IT.

Patton liked it.

Theodore Roosevelt liked it.

etc.

Some sources say Lufberry made that comment. Not sure which is correct.

etc.

etc.
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« Reply #58 on: May 19, 2011, 11:11:54 PM »
War is GREAT!!!

YAY!

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« Reply #59 on: May 20, 2011, 12:58:24 AM »
Undoubtedly men are hard wired to be competitive, to be hunters and at least in some degree to seek conflict.  It's why even though most of us understand intellectually that war is bad we are drawn to it.  It's why guys get in bar fights.  It's why we hunt and fish.  It's why we take risks whether it's racing, riding motorcycles, skydiving, taking dangerous jobs or any other number of male dominated activities.  It raises the adrenaline levels and gives you a rush.  I don't know any guy who doesn't enjoy an adrenaline rush.  You can count the number of females in this game on two hands.  We on the other hand are drawn to it like moths to a bug light.

Fortunately most of us have the intellectual sense to avoid real conflict while taking just enough risk to satiate our need for it.
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