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Offline DMVIAGRA

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P40F
« on: May 21, 2011, 09:05:09 AM »
P-40F and P-40L, which both featured Packard V-1650 Merlin engine in place of the normal Allison, and thus did not have the carburetor scoop on top of the nose. Performance for these models at higher altitudes was better than their Allison-engined cousins. The L in some cases also featured a fillet in front of the vertical stabilizer, or a stretched fuselage to compensate for the higher torque. The P-40L was sometimes nicknamed "Gypsy Rose Lee", after a famous stripper of the era, due to its stripped-down condition. Supplied to the Commonwealth air forces under the designation Kittyhawk Mk II, a total of 330 Mk IIs were supplied to the RAF under Lend-Lease. The first 230 aircraft are sometimes known as the Kittyhawk Mk IIA. The P-40F/L was extensively used by U.S. fighter groups operating in the Mediterranian Theater.


Offline JOACH1M

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Re: P40F
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2011, 09:20:58 AM »
What about the p40m?
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Offline iron650

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Re: P40F
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2011, 10:06:50 AM »
What about the p40m?

There was also N

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Re: P40F
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2011, 10:13:47 AM »
There was also N
there was also the HE177 :)  :pray

but + 1 TO ANYNEW P40
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Re: P40F
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2011, 10:14:09 AM »
There was also N
don't forget the k model too...  :D
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Re: P40F
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2011, 11:57:08 AM »
+ 1 TO ANYNEW P40
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Re: P40F
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2011, 12:01:35 PM »
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Offline EagleDNY

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Re: P40F
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2011, 02:45:44 PM »
+1 to some later model P-40. 

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Re: P40F
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2011, 03:47:13 PM »
Anything for a new P40
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Offline Krusty

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Re: P40F
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 03:59:37 PM »
Actual performance was mostly the same. Pilots themselves commented you didn't notice much. Top speeds were only 2 to 4 mph off, which is well within factory quality variation for planes off the same factory floor. The 2 guns 200 rpg loadout was often turned back to the standard loadout. This again was tried in the P-40N's first model, but pilots wanted/needed that extra firepower, so most carried 6 guns.

If we had this in AH, you might be surprised how little it changes from what we have. It would look like this (looking at WEP speed only):

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=p40e&p2=a6m5

Only the top alt peak for the second curve would only be 18k or so. It would be about 3k above the p-40E but with a dogleg drop in between the supercharger peaks.

You'd be looking at no real practical difference except say above 20k.

I'd like to see a lineup that includes:
P-40B
P-40E
P-40F (long tail, merlin engine)
P-40N (full guns, bomb racks under belly and wings, most common export model, a real ground pounder)

Of that setup, the P-40N is actually the slowest, interstingly enough. I mostly ask for F for splitting up the appropriate skins, but the merlin engine is a good excuse. Otherwise it's not needed and I'd stop at B/E/N.

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Re: P40F
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2011, 05:14:59 PM »
A complete re-model is no doubt in dire need for the beloved P40.

I to vouch for the B, E, and N models.  The F would be nice to have as well, but those three listed would be my suggestion.  The B for the early war stuff, and the N because it was the most produced and most versatile, and the E for somewhere in between.
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Re: P40F
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »
+1  for a Merlin-powered P-40, and tjhe N   :aok

I think the 'K' was the ugliest one of the batch with the tail fillet, but wouldn't mind seeing that one too.   

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Re: P40F
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2011, 08:35:12 PM »
While there were about 5000 P-40Ns made, almost all of them that served with the US were state-side trainers. We exported a number as ground attack to the RAAF and RNZAF and some others, and naturally to the Soviet Union.

However, by this time the Soviet Union's own home-grown fighter production had taken off and surpassed much of the lend-lease stuff.

Outside of the allied SEA setup, it really wasn't much of an important plane.
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Re: P40F
« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2011, 11:24:17 PM »
When the P-40's are updated it would be cool to get a few more choices.


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Re: P40F
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2011, 08:26:57 AM »
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