M8

[Karnak]

that's just wrong...37mm ap round shouldn't have any detrimental effect anywhere on a panzer turret except maybe at very close range on a hatch.

Has to be close range, yes, but last time I used the M8 it took just a single hit to the rear of the Panzer IV's turret to disable it.  I got 12 Panzer IVs in one M8 sortie using that tactic once.

[gyrene81]

geez karnak...that's just...not right...



a 37mm ap round...even a sabot couldn't penetrate the skirt armor...the storage box on the back of the turret...then 30mm of armor plate...no matter what range.

[Karnak]

I wonder if AH models anything other than the 30mm of armor?

[gyrene81]

   maybe it could be possible out to 500 meters or less...standard 37mm m74 ap shell is supposed to be able to penetrate 54/40mm of plate armor so assuming the storage box on the back of the turret is empty and there is nothing to deflect the round, penetrating the back of the turret at 500 yards could happen...just seems a bit "off" if you know what i mean considering the storage boxes held equipment and the skirt armor was intended to take some of the punch out of smaller rounds.

[Karnak]

When I use that tactic to kill a Panzer IV it is normally from less than 50 meters, often less than 25.

[iron650]

M8s kill Panzer IVs just fine.  One AP round to the back of the turret, two to the back of the hull = dead Panzer IV.

I think it's point blank to get a Panzer IV. Also, the only place a T34/75 is vunerable to the 37mm is the back of the turret.

[321BAR]

The Pnzr IV skirt armor i don't believe is modeled. it seems to have absolutely no affect against any weapon. i use the M8 and the M-18 lite all the time and always sneak up on panzers, T34s, and now occasionally a panther and kill them. Like karnak said, one to the turret (in any direction, not just the back, then two to the engine housing. POOF! byebye pnzr.

M4s are alot tougher for the M8 for some reason...

[E25280]

The skirt armor was a mere 5mm and was meant to defeat light infantry AT weaponry, like the Soviet anti-tank rifles, by causing the rounds to tumble before hitting the tank itself.  They also were effective in deflecting the blast of shape-charged weapons like bazooka rounds.

Against solid-shot AP projectiles from larger-caliber guns, the skirts were worthless.

[iron650]

I had a delicate duel today against an amtank. We went in circles around a tree until I hit his broadside. Then I killed an amtrack by hitting it's center with a .30 MG. I also got a Panther pelting and circling him to his doom.

[W7LPNRICK]

The Panzers I've killed were much closer than 500 ft, in kind of a boom & zoom tactic. I come in fast and close & out turn their turret, then duck behind a bldg.

[M0nkey_Man]

sat about 3 ft from a tiger and peppered him

[iron650]

I have a TnB tactic. I run around them going full speed shooting them. You get only 35mph, but it got the job done. And its normally easy to get a kill because of how their turret tracks. However they can have great motion-prediction skills and kill you. The Panther I mentioned earlier made me stop by aiming behind him so I can't make another run. So, I stopped and pelted.

[321BAR]

The skirt armor was a mere 5mm and was meant to defeat light infantry AT weaponry, like the Soviet anti-tank rifles, by causing the rounds to tumble before hitting the tank itself.  They also were effective in deflecting the blast of shape-charged weapons like bazooka rounds.

Against solid-shot AP projectiles from larger-caliber guns, the skirts were worthless.

they were also meant to force larger rounds to explode before the impact with the actual tank. the 5mm of armor would cause the AP round to explode early causing no harm to the tank.

[Rob52240]

EvilSars who is a bit of a tank expert explained it sorta like Bar was just saying, basically it was reactive armor.

[AWwrgwy]

they were also meant to force larger rounds to explode before the impact with the actual tank. the 5mm of armor would cause the AP round to explode early causing no harm to the tank.

AP explodes?


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