Why don't you want to die?

[Plawranc]

Rebuttal:

Mathematical processes. These do not have a bearing on my argument. It is established that yes 2+2 =4, well done have a cookie, however for one making accusations of weaksauce arguments, this is pretty high on my list.

My argument is speaking, (my apologies for not clarifying) of literary fact (Humanities, Literary Works, Drama etc), not Mathematical Process or Scientific process.

But to play along .what if I were to say to you, "I don't believe in mathematics.." what then? Now I will conceede that this is highly unlikely and it is very easily proven that the person is wrong. But what can you say or do to change their opinion? While it may be fact, do they have to accept it? no.. they don't. Their interpretation may be completely different from yours. Their OPINION may be different from yours. They do not neccessarily have to follow the same process nor act upon the same motive as you or I do.

It is a FACT. That most human beings will act on emotional grounds rather than intellectual. It is a FACT. That most will deny all intellectual process if they contradict faith. And it is a FACT. That while you may use a system that is generally considered the standard process. If one chooses to interpret the process or argument differently and with conviction, there is little you can do to change it other than through persuasion.

[Plawranc]

The quote may have been misused in my argument, however it does stand true.

My argument is that one cannot confuse education, with wisdom. Nor can one confuse experience with wisdom. It is a combination of the two, however they alone cannot succeed without a crucial component.

Wisdom is brought forward by understanding, seeing the bigger picture, the expanding of perception. There are some people at age 80 who are about as intelligent as a dung beatle (I have met them) and ones at 30, who I would follow to the end of the Earth if they said thats what I should do. Learning endless stores of facts do nothing save bank up information. And even if one could live forever, there is no way one could expect to experience LITERALLY everything, and even if one experienced their fair share. If one did not approach those experiences differently or learn from them... they serve no purpose at all.

It is the development of emotional understanding, the understanding of the greater effect of something, the analysis of everyones opinions, thoughts and motivations, and taking those feelings into account.

It is FACT. That intelligence is not measured by age. It is FACT that experiences do not directly translate to knowledge. And there is no PROVEN link between the two and the General Perception of Wisdom.

[Plawranc]

And finally. Yes, you are right. Well spotted.

The psyche of a crowd will invariably react better to someone who sounds and acts superior. They will also react more strongly on the grounds of emotion than they will fact (depends on audience but this is working on average). And one must appeal to the opinions and emotions of the audience/spectators, If one does not.. you have lost before you began.

And yes, I do like trolling you, and I do like flaming you penguin. Because its hysterical to watch you rant on.

[Banshee7]

I dn't want to die because there's still some chicks left on my list 

[5anders]

I do want to die, just not right now.

Exactly. Immortality would be awful.  I'm not scared of death at all, but I'm not going to go look for it.  Although if I died tomorrow, it sure has been a fun ride.

[Penguin]

And finally. Yes, you are right. Well spotted.

The psyche of a crowd will invariably react better to someone who sounds and acts superior. They will also react more strongly on the grounds of emotion than they will fact (depends on audience but this is working on average). And one must appeal to the opinions and emotions of the audience/spectators, If one does not.. you have lost before you began.

And yes, I do like trolling you, and I do like flaming you penguin. Because its hysterical to watch you rant on.

One question; why did you put your argument into three different posts?  Did you argue, take a break, argue, take a break, and then finish?  It just seems a bit odd (and makes it a pain to quote you- yes, I'm that lazy).

@First Post
2+2=4 Was weaksauce, and had no bearing.  Point well taken. (Oof!)  I had made a weaksauce attempt to explain ad hominem.  If you were to say that you didn't believe in mathematics, I'd  .  I would not have a prepared rebuttal to that argument, since it is such an absurd statement.  Your point seems to be; "No matter how wrong I am, or how right you are, I am too stubborn to change".  That doesn't advance your point at all.  Actually, neither extreme is the case.  Humans act on a mixture of emotion and logic.  I've encountered people who lean each way, and the more extreme they are, the more strange they become.

@Second Post
However, living forever allows you to do whatever you want.  Even if you tick off a whole bunch of people, just wait a century or two and everyone will forget.  You are right, wisdom is a combination of experience and knowledge.  However, if W (Wisdom) = E (Experience) + K (Knowledge), then knowing more will increase your wisdom accordingly, since you will have more chances to experience things and be able to spend more time educating yourself.  Therefore, a longer life (assuming that you don't just sit on your laurels) will enable you to become more wise.

@Third Post
Thank-you for admitting that I was right.  However, your point about ranting is actually hypocritical; my post was only about a paragraph, you wrote around four.

-Penguin

[Reaper90]

For me, why do I want to stay on this rock and continue converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?

a few reasons:

Too much stuff I still want to do. Fly again (my PPL has not been current in almost 20 years) and even more than just to fly but to take flight in an aircraft either that I have built or better yet of my own design.

I want to see England and all of the UK. My bloodlines originate there and I have always wanted to visit her.

My children, Cailyn and James. My grandfather died when my father was 9 years old and I would never wish for my children to know a day when I wasn't there for them. That, and they're gonna have to change my diaper one day just as payback!

And my parents. I've been told one of the worst things in life is for a parent to have to bury their child, regardless of age. I'd rather spare them that burden if I have a say in it.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter how crappy or desperate life, work, etc gets, I could never purposefully take my own life. There's just too much to stay alive for.

[dedalos]

For me, why do I want to stay on this rock and continue converting oxygen to carbon dioxide?

a few reasons:

Too much stuff I still want to do. Fly again (my PPL has not been current in almost 20 years) and even more than just to fly but to take flight in an aircraft either that I have built or better yet of my own design.

I want to see England and all of the UK. My bloodlines originate there and I have always wanted to visit her.

My children, Cailyn and James. My grandfather died when my father was 9 years old and I would never wish for my children to know a day when I wasn't there for them. That, and they're gonna have to change my diaper one day just as payback!

And my parents. I've been told one of the worst things in life is for a parent to have to bury their child, regardless of age. I'd rather spare them that burden if I have a say in it.

I've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter how crappy or desperate life, work, etc gets, I could never purposefully take my own life. There's just too much to stay alive for.

Meh, everyone thinks they have a good reason to contribute to global warming 

[Vudak]

I do want to die, just not right now.

+1

And when I go, I want the "after process" handled the same way as those I loved who went before me...  Right or wrong, I'll share their fate.

[Reaper90]

Meh, everyone thinks they have a good reason to contribute to global warming 

LOL! If "global warming" wasn't a made-up scam, I'd freely contribute even more than I do! These kids today are rude, they need us to eff the place up for them. 

BTW, the new term is "man-made climate change," that way they can blame all of the natural meteorological (sp?) changes on man's activities. 

[Sonicblu]

Because I want to continue living, and it is not compatible with dieing. 

[Wildcat1]

hell, i'm only 21 years old, i still have alot to live for.

i would miss shooting my AR on the weekends, that's for sure

[nooby52]

Can I fly Mustangs or Spits in The Afterlife? If yes, then it wouldn't be so bad.

[Grayeagle]

'Want' doesn't enter into the picture .. everyone dies regardless of 'want'

Coupla notes tho:

The 'Golden Years' are *not* for Sissies.

Suicide is for cowards IMHO.

Life is for the living of it, try to enjoy the day before someone screws it up.
If the day is goin badly, it could be worse.

Set a goal .. if nothin else it will give you somethin to look forward to.

-evil grin-

-GE aka Frank

[BnZs]

Suicide is for cowards IMHO.

In my experience, cowardice is a substantial and often over-looked factor in *not* committing suicide.

Quite simply, you don't know whether you get nothing, a bright light, or Dante's inferno.

(Yes, I realize it would be UNBELIEVABLY sadistic to take someone who was so tormented they ended their own life and then "punish" them for it with unending torment...but have you seen the world around you? It doesn't seem to have been designed by a warm and fuzzy Being, and it seems entirely too AWFUL to be the product of pure random chance.)