Jim tressel

[BoilerDown]

How many major schools would be having similar problems if they were all heavily investigated like this?  Cant tell me Texas and Oklahoma dont have these problems.  How many kids are able to afford all these tattoos that they have and some of them have full sleeves. 

Athletes are spoiled already and now there is talk about having money given to them for everyday costs.  Many students go to school relying on financial aid and still have to worry about forking out an extra 10k not provided to them by the school not including the cost of living such as food.

Quoted cause you're talking about it, not cause I'm disagreeing....

They already get a stipend which is supposed to cover cost of living, such as food.  Its not supposed to pay for car payments, you can take the bus.  Its not supposed to pay for rent, you can live in campus housing.  If you spend your time as a student-athlete and not a socialite-athlete, all your expenses will be covered on a full-ride athletic scholarship.  If you want (note I didn't say "need") more money than that, get a part-time job and student loans like every other non-rich kid has to do.

Its no surprise that Ohio State is pushing more money.  They are the only school in the Big Ten and one of the only schools in the nation that could afford it.  Of this idea, Ohio State said, "If you can't afford to do it, then don't do it".  Which would put them at a competitive advantage over everyone else.  So of course Ohio State pushes the idea, socialite-athletes are easier to recruit than student-athletes.

[Stoney]

The athletes get their meals and housing paid for when they're on campus.  What they don't get, and can't have access to, is money given to them for off-campus activities.  They can't have jobs because at some point in the past, at some other school, somebody was paying players wages for "jobs" they weren't working.  The fact is that every rule is out there as a result of some program or booster breaking it the first time.  As new schemes and machinations are devised, new rules are required.  The problem is that all of the rules that the NCAA have in place are constantly being challenged by the ingenuity and savvy of agents and boosters, and coaches are under intense pressure to win.  Ask any of them what they hate the most about their job, and they'll tell you its recruiting.

In my opinion, the only thing that Tressel did wrong was lie about not knowing about the infractions earlier--that's an offense that should be punished, but is forgivable.  I don't think he's a cheater, nor is Ohio State.  I do think he should have been punished in a manner similar to the players that have been suspended for full seasons in the past, as a result of lying to investigators.

 

[BoilerDown]

They can't have jobs

That's hasn't been the case for years now.  Student-athletes, on scholarship or not, can have a job.

I agree with the rest of your first paragraph.  As for your second, its becoming obvious that OSU and Tressel did more wrong than just that.

[Stoney]

That's hasn't been the case for years now.  Student-athletes, on scholarship or not, can have a job.

Ah, ok.  Sorry, thought I remembered that being an issue...

[BoilerDown]

On another note, this is the same as any industry with a regulative body overseeing it.  All the FDA rules in place that make drugs so expensive are that way because companies found a way to cheat the system, and people ended up getting hurt as a result.  In any industry with a watchdog such as the FDA or NCAA, its clear that all companies (or schools) cannot be trusted to do the right thing on their own, some will only do so when threatened with a "death penalty" for misbehavior, for others even that isn't enough (they still cheat even knowing the penalties for getting caught), and as a result every company (or school) suffers with complex and costly regulations.  I say this having worked in an FDA-regulated pharmaceutical company for nine years.

[PJ_Godzilla]

All I can say is HAW-dee-freakin'-HAW-HAW-HAW.

In fairness, to my mind the NCAA needs to adjust it a little looser. They're kind of like a certain church in how tough they make it to live by the rules.

I wonder if this'll have a negative impact on their football program..? 

[SmokinLoon]

The sun will rise tomorrow.  Forget him and move on.  Big deal.  Watch the game for the love of the sport.

This is pale compared to when Osborne left Nebraska.  I lived in Sioux City, Iowa at the time and I could hear the Cornholer fans crying all the way from Lincoln, Omaha, and Grand Island.

 

[BoilerDown]

This is pale compared to when Osborne left Nebraska.  I lived in Sioux City, Iowa at the time and I could hear the Cornholer fans crying all the way from Lincoln, Omaha, and Grand Island.

Did they call him "The Representative"?

[Shuffler]

Jim who?

[Reschke]

As a former college football player who was able to work in the summers and make enough money to have some extra back then its a little different now. Even though they are restricted in the amount of time they can practice, watch film, etc... during the season and the number of workouts they can have in the off season its stupid what else they have to do. They are required to do "X" number of "unsupervised" workouts (weight room and field work) and film sessions that are "led" by the seniors where the coaches can only glance out windows just to make sure they are doing it right. Then when the kids are coming back in they have "player led meetings" to go over things that the coaches saw them do right or wrong. They have taken college football which I still love and turned it into a 50+ hour a week year round job. They penalize players for going home to workout on their own; which was encouraged when I played; so they can oversee the workouts. Because of this most athletes have to take classes to during the summer because if they were not enrolled then they would likely not have a scholarship waiting on them when they showed back up in July for camp before the season starts. This doesn't allow much time if any for part time jobs like we were able to get.

If anything the NCAA should allow schools to go back to the old style athletic dorms they had when I played the first three years in college; allow the coaches to have a little more direct interaction with the players in the off season and eliminate some of the horse crap rules they have in place. It will never happen like it used to because the NCAA can't go backwards if they screw up something that was great.

As for Tressel....he was dirty in the beginning and he lied about it. Ohio State knew he was dirty when they hired him and they swept it under the rug for years; hell why else would he have the clause in his contract about NCAA infractions and NO buyout/payout at all. The played with fire and got caught....lets just hope they burn all involved so they will feel it for years to come.

Death Penalty again....it will not happen but it probably should.

[YGSM]

As a former college football player who was able to work in the summers and make enough money to have some extra back then its a little different now. Even though they are restricted in the amount of time they can practice, watch film, etc... during the season and the number of workouts they can have in the off season its stupid what else they have to do. They are required to do "X" number of "unsupervised" workouts (weight room and field work) and film sessions that are "led" by the seniors where the coaches can only glance out windows just to make sure they are doing it right. Then when the kids are coming back in they have "player led meetings" to go over things that the coaches saw them do right or wrong. They have taken college football which I still love and turned it into a 50+ hour a week year round job. They penalize players for going home to workout on their own; which was encouraged when I played; so they can oversee the workouts. Because of this most athletes have to take classes to during the summer because if they were not enrolled then they would likely not have a scholarship waiting on them when they showed back up in July for camp before the season starts. This doesn't allow much time if any for part time jobs like we were able to get.

If anything the NCAA should allow schools to go back to the old style athletic dorms they had when I played the first three years in college; allow the coaches to have a little more direct interaction with the players in the off season and eliminate some of the horse crap rules they have in place. It will never happen like it used to because the NCAA can't go backwards if they screw up something that was great.

As for Tressel....he was dirty in the beginning and he lied about it. Ohio State knew he was dirty when they hired him and they swept it under the rug for years; hell why else would he have the clause in his contract about NCAA infractions and NO buyout/payout at all. The played with fire and got caught....lets just hope they burn all involved so they will feel it for years to come.

Death Penalty again....it will not happen but it probably should.

+1

[fudgums]

Death Penalty is too harsh in my opinion, way to harsh.

The university of SMU, note University, knew, known, and did pay they're players. They were on probation many times and never learned they're lesson. The death penalty is defiantly not the answer for this situation. How is this nearly worse than SMU? Did Ohio State get players by just paying em or did they have discounted tattoos? They should get a worse penalty than USC, probably 40 scholarships, and 2 years bowl probation + 5 years probation.


How is the Terrelle Pryor situation different than Reggie Bush and Cam Newton(Yes, I truly believe Cecil Newton took the money)? They just cut the middle man out of the situation.

[Babalonian]

Honestly USC got what it was pompously asking for, they got caught red handed and tried to deny and shine it off.  They spit in the preverbial lion's (NCAA) face and got bit.  And I honestly blame them for a lot of the trouble the various schools have been getting into since.  Had USC been humble and looking to make nice and right, they likely wouldn't of gotten it nearly as bad as they did or also likely set the current standard the NCAA has been agressively persuing to enforce since.

[NaTorino]

F Michigan!

[JOACH1M]

F Michigan!







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