190 training

[BaldEagl]

Unfortunately, the *best* use for roll rate is in a nose-to-nose fight.

Who told you that?  I fly the A-8 regularily, full fuel, 30mm package and closing on a con from behind usually means no escape for him.  I can use my roll rate to out-break him almost every time.  The roll rate can also lead to exceptional vertical reverses.  None of this has anything to do with nose to nose fighting.

The big tip in any 190 is don't turn more than about 540 degrees with anything before extending to re-set unless you're absolutely sure those extra degrees of turn will give you the kill.  Also try to fight downhill and don't be afraid to use WEP.  The faster you can keep the fight the better off you'll be as the 190's have among the best high speed handling in the game.

[BnZs]

Who told you that?  I fly the A-8 regularily, full fuel, 30mm package and closing on a con from behind usually means no escape for him.  I can use my roll rate to out-break him almost every time.  The roll rate can also lead to exceptional vertical reverses.  None of this has anything to do with nose to nose fighting.

The big tip in any 190 is don't turn more than about 540 degrees with anything before extending to re-set unless you're absolutely sure those extra degrees of turn will give you the kill.  Also try to fight downhill and don't be afraid to use WEP.  The faster you can keep the fight the better off you'll be as the 190's have among the best high speed handling in the game.

No one "told me that", it is apparent that the superior rolling plane has an enormous advantage in a scissors where turn performance between the two planes roughly equal. Good point though, perhaps the best thing about roll rate is the increased ability to track for shots on the offensive. By "vertical reverses" do you mean vector rolls and the like?

[BaldEagl]

No one "told me that", it is apparent that the superior rolling plane has an enormous advantage in a scissors where turn performance between the two planes roughly equal. Good point though, perhaps the best thing about roll rate is the increased ability to track for shots on the offensive. By "vertical reverses" do you mean vector rolls and the like?

You're right about the scissors, particularily flat scissors but I guess I didn't consider that a nose to nose fight.  It might end up that way but that's usually not the way it starts.  By nature it's a defensive tactic.

Guess I'm not really sure what a vector roll is.  What I mean is pull into the vertical (any angle) then use your roll rate to rotate then pull back down.  The vertical reorientation is very difficult for most other planes to track and gives you at least a momentary advantage.  If you have enough E then using a pure climb with roation can drop you right back on your opponent's six with very little loss of E.  A typical scenario might be I drop on an opponent's six, he tries to break, I roll to go for the lead shot and if I miss I immediately go vertical off angle to my opponent.  Most likely my opponent has lost track of me momentarily.  I rotate to the appropriate angle and drop right back onto him.  If he's aware enough to have tried to track me I can reorient again and leave him flying away as I extend to reset.

Anyway the point is everyone says the FW doesnt turn well.  I agree.  It doesn't.  However it can reorient and get into it's turn faster than almost anything else and it's able to do that at speeds that hinder most other planes.

[grizz441]

Ill take this as compliment, it was grizz in a p38j and he had alt. On me

Heh, I wouldn't hang your hat on that, considering I am probably one of the worst p38 pilots in the game plus I am flying about as bad as I ever have the past few months.  Apparently only flying 10 hours a month tolls heavily on my jedi abilities. 

[BnZs]

You're right about the scissors, particularily flat scissors but I guess I didn't consider that a nose to nose fight.  It might end up that way but that's usually not the way it starts.  By nature it's a defensive tactic.

"Nose-to-Nose turning"=you are turning right, he is turning left. Or vis versa. Or you are pulling up while he is rolling and pulling down for that matter. Tends to favor turn radius and ability to fly at minimum speed.

"Nose-to-Tail turning"=Both player turning right, or left, or looping, etc. What most people think of as a turning contest. Tends to favor turn RATE.

Defensive tactics are important in the MA :-)

Yep, that's a vector roll.

[IrishOne]

fighting effectively in the A5 requires a good judge of E, good throttle management, and lots of flying while looking backwards   



it won't outturn much, but it'll outroll anything in the sky, which is a much bigger factor than most seem to realize.   and the guns are good.    and it's sooper sexy 

[JOACH1M]

Heh, I wouldn't hang your hat on that, considering I am probably one of the worst p38 pilots in the game plus I am flying about as bad as I ever have the past few months.  Apparently only flying 10 hours a month tolls heavily on my jedi abilities. 

I can't deny that, lots of vets are playing less and less...

[ScottyK]

fighting effectively in the A5 requires a good judge of E, good throttle management, and lots of flying while looking backwards   



it won't outturn much, but it'll outroll anything in the sky, which is a much bigger factor than most seem to realize.   and the guns are good.    and it's sooper sexy 

 very very sexy

 Irish would say using a fair amount rudder as well as throttle managment is key?

[ScottyK]

*would u say to use alot of rudder as well as throttle managment is key.  i cant type for crap

[IrishOne]

 very very sexy

 Irish would say using a fair amount rudder as well as throttle managment is key?

yes, i use it quite a bit, mostly at the top when trying to compensate torque roll.   i also jam the rudder out when i trying to roll someone through a slow overshoot, it seems to almost act like a mini-brake, and with any luck ill get a windscreen full of badguy.   

[ScottyK]

me personally, i tend to fly the A5 like a 109 (all the 109 sticks will bash me for this)with use of alot of rudder, to force overshoot like you have stated, also flaps, yes only 3 notches, but u can use them effectively for turning and use the vert as much as i can.  I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight.     and like in other posts ive stated im by far no "uber" stick in the 109s or 190s even tho these aircraft are the ones i fly the most.  feel free to check  my stats in LWA under Scotty57.

[IrishOne]

  I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight.     

 

i always fly with the 2 20mm package because i consider 2 FF's with 60 rounds apiece to be dead weight, but Kappa uses them, and uses them very very well, so i suppose that aspect would just have to come down to personal preference.

[ScottyK]

 

[Condor11]

APpreciate all the help guys, keep the tips coming.
A lot of what im hearing validates how I fly it..
Me personally I take her up with the 4 20mm, I often get good safe and quick snapshots that obliterate my enemies, and since they are short the 4 really allow me to do the damage (plus im a bad shot so the extra 120 round help)

I use it in thew vertical a lot, and I think because of my other bird the k-4, I fly it a bit like scotty, forcing the slow overshot through scissors and massive rudder...

Irish, I've never had the pleasure of seeing u in a 190, but ifyou (or anyone) is willing to take some tine 1v1 just to evaluate and critique my skills that would b great.


Condor

[Condor11]

me personally, i tend to fly the A5 like a 109 (all the 109 sticks will bash me for this)with use of alot of rudder, to force overshoot like you have stated, also flaps, yes only 3 notches, but u can use them effectively for turning and use the vert as much as i can.  I know alot of people use the 4 20mm package, but i go with the smaller gun package to give up a little weight.     and like in other posts ive stated im by far no "uber" stick in the 109s or 190s even tho these aircraft are the ones i fly the most.  feel free to check  my stats in LWA under Scotty57.

 one of my favorite fights was me n u 1v1. Me in k4 n u 190 (i think it was a8). I had just killed 2 ju88 n f4u, and was rtb with no cannon. I look up n there u r 2k above me

I figured I couldnt out run u so I just nosed up and mer u in your dive. That was agood five minute scissor, and awesome low alt fighting.... (was so pissed I was pinging the yelol outta u with only my mg , but with no cannon I only managed to smoke your eng)...i finnaly lost that second set of scissoring and discovered you were not out of cannon...lol

Always ment to tel u it was an awesome fight and id gladly repeat it (given u allow me to have some taters this time )

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