190 training

[kilo2]

190 A5 is probably the best all around 190. I think you can do much more with it than say a D9 or even 152.

Most D9/152 kills come in the BnZ or picking.

[Bubbajj]

You realize an A5 is an EW bird, right? It will dominate the turny fighters, zeke's, hurc, F4s, Brewters and the spit V by sheer virtue of its climb and speed. Anything else is a hard nut to crack. A spit IX with rape an A5, don't even bother with an VIII. An F6 is near impossible, any 109 (with the exception of the E) will make short work of the Wulf, and anything else will out turn it and, at the very least, keep up with it. If you have alt to work with it can be a devastating BnZer and it's probably one of the best buff hunters. As far as dogfighting? Not so much. It has too many huge deficits to make up any ground with its strengths.

[kilo2]

You realize an A5 is an EW bird, right? It will dominate the turny fighters, zeke's, hurc, F4s, Brewters and the spit V by sheer virtue of its climb and speed. Anything else is a hard nut to crack. A spit IX with rape an A5, don't even bother with an VIII. An F6 is near impossible, any 109 (with the exception of the E) will make short work of the Wulf, and anything else will out turn it and, at the very least, keep up with it. If you have alt to work with it can be a devastating BnZer and it's probably one of the best buff hunters. As far as dogfighting? Not so much. It has too many huge deficits to make up any ground with its strengths.

I think you far underestimate the A5 . Don't confuse your failings in the plane with the planes capabilities. You can beat any of those "tough nuts to crack" easily if you know what you're doing.


And the a5 is a MW ride.

[2bighorn]

I think you far underestimate the A5 . Don't confuse your failings in the plane with the planes capabilities.

I think Bubbajj was spot on.

You can beat any of those "tough nuts to crack" easily if you know what you're doing.

"Tough nuts to crack" can deal easily with A-5 if they know what they're doing.

And the a5 is a MW ride.

Available in EW as well.

[kilo2]

I think Bubbajj was spot on.

"Tough nuts to crack" can deal easily with A-5 if they know what they're doing.

Available in EW as well.

I don't think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion. A5s began to be delivered in early 1943 which to me is mid-war .

All around best 190, key words being all around.

[2bighorn]

I don't think so but everyone is entitled to their opinion. A5s began to be delivered in early 1943 which to me is mid-war .

If I remember correctly, late 1942. If not, I can imagine reason it was added to EW and that being it was no better as a fighter than A-3 which is undeniably early war plane.

All around best 190, key words being all around.

I won't disagree, but how that makes bubbajj wrong?

[kilo2]

If I remember correctly, late 1942. If not, I can imagine reason it was added to EW and that being it was no better as a fighter than A-3 which is undeniably early war plane.

I won't disagree, but how that makes bubbajj wrong?

The F6 judgment I just don't see that one at all F6 is a joke unless greebo is flying it of course. all 109s except the E no way, K4/G14 would be tough but the others I don't think would be overly difficult and would either be dominated or a good fight. 190 A5 is just a more balanced fighter then the rest of the 190 set IMO.

[2bighorn]

The F6 judgment I just don't see that one at all F6 is a joke unless greebo is flying it of course.

A-5 is a tad faster, climbs a bit better, acceleration is about the same, rolls significantly better, turns significantly worse. F6 handling at high and low speeds is much better. A-5 has a good chance but I would bet that (if all equal but planes) F6 will win more fights.

all 109s except the E no way, K4/G14 would be tough but the others I don't think would be overly difficult and would either be dominated or a good fight. 190 A5 is just a more balanced fighter then the rest of the 190 set IMO.

Starting with F4, all 109s will beat A-5. The only meaningful advantage A-5 has over F4, G2 and G6 is fire power. Top speed difference is not as big to be a factor, neither is the straight line climb. In a fight, F4, G2 and G6 will happily climb with A-5, will out-accelerate it and out-maneuver it. Roll advantage A-5 has will just prolong the suffering. Good fire power is the only saving grace, and even that can't make up for other deficiencies.

You can easily test that against equally skilled sticks. Or you can just look at the performance charts at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php to save some trouble.

No need to discuss A-5 vs G14 and K4.

[kilo2]

A-5 is a tad faster, climbs a bit better, acceleration is about the same, rolls significantly better, turns significantly worse. F6 handling at high and low speeds is much better. A-5 has a good chance but I would bet that (if all equal but planes) F6 will win more fights.

Starting with F4, all 109s will beat A-5. The only meaningful advantage A-5 has over F4, G2 and G6 is fire power. Top speed difference is not as big to be a factor, neither is the straight line climb. In a fight, F4, G2 and G6 will happily climb with A-5, will out-accelerate it and out-maneuver it. Roll advantage A-5 has will just prolong the suffering. Good fire power is the only saving grace, and even that can't make up for other deficiencies.

You can easily test that against equally skilled sticks. Or you can just look at the performance charts at http://gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php to save some trouble.

No need to discuss A-5 vs G14 and K4.

Listen I have some of my highest kill sorties in an a5 in the lwa I have flown it before and its a sleeper. Roll advantage will and can win plenty of fights.

[grizz441]

One point that easily gets lost in the "this plane vs that plane" debate is the assumption that both pilots are equal.  Obviously the 109 series, equal pilots will dominate the A5 in the majority of the fights.  But since the MA does not have equal pilots and it is a different fight all together, being dominate in an A5 is very possible.

[2bighorn]

being dominate in an A5 is very possible.

In MA, that's valid for almost any plane.

[grizz441]

In MA, that's valid for almost any plane.

Yep.

[Condor11]

In raw stats the 190a5 may not b a leader, but its agility, firepower and speed seem to make it write a tough bird. I flt it in the ma and side from its ability to destroy buffs, I find it more the a match for some of the ew rides....it has something to offer almost every opponent, with it the exception of a spit sixteen....a good stick in that offers little room to work with...

[Bubbajj]

There is no "agility". It won't turn with a C47 for heaven's sake. The only thing you have going for you is roll, which unless your dealing with a pilot with a BAC of .30 or better is only marginally useful. Anyone who knows anything about an FW will know this and be ready for it. I've used the A5 extensively in the MW and probably have more kills in it than anything else. Most against buffs. That said I love to fly the silly things. They are a true challenge in a game full of spit pilots. But the minute I meed anything but a turny bird CO-alt, I know I'm in for a pretty bad sorte. You can't turnfight with anything and your pretty much relegated to BnZ.

[IrishOne]

I love to fly the silly things.  

i feel ya man.   it can be sooooooo frustrating, but as an airplane i just love it.    will always be my favorite plane, no matter if it sucks or not.