New Car!

[B3YT]

i really wish i could type here what i think about co2 taxes, etc....but i realize the skuzzmeister has a hard enough job without us going loopy in here...and i don't want a vacation from here......this place(as scary as it may seem) helps me retain my sanity.

It's not a CO2 tax . CO2 and fuel consumption is just a of regulating the scale it just taxes the car.

[Shuffler]

No matter what you think of Ford, you have to give them credit.  They have done what no other American car company could and they did it without any bailout money.  Seems to me they are taking care of business.

It also looks like they might be having some fun while they are at it.  They have earned the right to be proud of thier accomplishments.

Kudos, and keep it up.

Bail out money made public anyway......

[MaSonZ]

i really wish i could type here what i think about co2 taxes, etc....but i realize the skuzzmeister has a hard enough job without us going loopy in here...and i don't want a vacation from here......this place(as scary as it may seem) helps me retain my sanity.

just out of curiosity...just popped in my mind. how "dirty" would newer vehicles be before all the emission parts in them (right before where the cat hooks up to the down pipe)? it cant be anyworse then the older cars (like 1940's), can it?

[CAP1]

just out of curiosity...just popped in my mind. how "dirty" would newer vehicles be before all the emission parts in them (right before where the cat hooks up to the down pipe)? it cant be anyworse then the older cars (like 1940's), can it?

 some wouldn't be very dirty at all anymore.

 one of the easy ways to tell, is to count how many catalytic converters are on a vehicle. the more converters, the dirtier the engine runs. 80's fords used to have 4 cats.....2 on each bank. shouldn't have been necessary, but it is what it is.
 it's been a loooooong time since i've checked emissions before the cats. not had a need to do so for years.

 at the risk of pushing things too far....the entire co2 scare/bs gype is only happening, due to organizations not wanting to lose their entitlements, now that the last hoax has been discovered to be a hoax.

 i mean....think about it.....what does co2 do? what lives on co2, and what do those things give us? co2 isn't a bad thing at all, nor is it a pollutant.

[ghi]

I would point out, Penguy, that we here at Ford adopted a state of the art Haldex AWD system a few years back. It now features in just about every major vehicle line we have. For example, you could get an Edge or Flex in AWD, or a Fusion Sport (with the 3.5L, natch - surprising performance for a Fusion) with AWD, or an MkT, MkX, MkZ, or MkS - all featuring the same excellently seamless Haldex awd system (scaled, of course, per application).

Some pics with few of the different vehicles i rented over past years from Calgary,Alberta and hit the Rockies roads.I prefer 4x4 even in summer time, because  sometimes is snowing on high mountain passes, but are not easy to find at rental places especially in weekends. This  Ford Flex 4x4 was impressive, handling great on high grades snow covered roads, it's heavy well balanced weight per axles, good traction/ABS.

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[MaSonZ]

some wouldn't be very dirty at all anymore.

 one of the easy ways to tell, is to count how many catalytic converters are on a vehicle. the more converters, the dirtier the engine runs. 80's fords used to have 4 cats.....2 on each bank. shouldn't have been necessary, but it is what it is.
 it's been a loooooong time since i've checked emissions before the cats. not had a need to do so for years.

 at the risk of pushing things too far....the entire co2 scare/bs gype is only happening, due to organizations not wanting to lose their entitlements, now that the last hoax has been discovered to be a hoax.

 i mean....think about it.....what does co2 do? what lives on co2, and what do those things give us? co2 isn't a bad thing at all, nor is it a pollutant.

my thoughts exactly. thank you much!

[MiloMorai]

Trees, grass, flowers ect all need CO2 to live and in return give us O2.

[B3YT]

biggest problem is that not just co2 comes out the back but also carbon monoxide. the amount of co that comes out the back is almost twice as much co2.  Add to the fact that the forests that once took care of the co2 are being reduced by a huge area every week   we could be in trouble . CATS are very bad for the environment too.  where as the stuff that came out the exhaust were quite big particles that were easily filtered by our nasal hair they are now to small and now reach our lungs . hence the large increase in asthma  and other chest complaints in cities.

[CAP1]

Trees, grass, flowers ect all need CO2 to live and in return give us O2.

 as do plankton, which give us much more than anyone thinks.......

[CAP1]

my thoughts exactly. thank you much!

 i put 1 wrong word in there. where i typed "discovered", i should have typed "exposed".

[CAP1]

biggest problem is that not just co2 comes out the back but also carbon monoxide. the amount of co that comes out the back is almost twice as much co2.  Add to the fact that the forests that once took care of the co2 are being reduced by a huge area every week   we could be in trouble . CATS are very bad for the environment too.  where as the stuff that came out the exhaust were quite big particles that were easily filtered by our nasal hair they are now to small and now reach our lungs . hence the large increase in asthma  and other chest complaints in cities.

 carbon monoxide has been reduced to less than half of what it was 30 years ago. it's nearly not there. same with hyudorcarbons. read up on catalytic converters, on how they work. they convert these gases, hence their name. if ya want, i'll go dig out a couple of my basic books, and copy some of the workings into here.

 as for the huge amounts of forests being taken down? it doesn't matter how much we clean up cars, or factories. if people are still on this earth breathing, then there will be co2. the solution, is to stop cutting down the forests.....and before you try...there really isn't that much need to take em down. and no, i'm not a tree hugger.

[B3YT]

I agree with you there  with the trees .  CATS are good in some ways but they also do more damage health wise than older pre cats cars did.  Climate change is happening but  it's more of a problem with  manufacturing more than cars polluting. Thats why VED is not a CO2 tax . Amount of CO2 and engine size has always been how it was set , even before " climate change" came about.

[dedalos]

WOW, it would seem that the real pollutant is Oxygen

[RTHolmes]

mmm thats not right, car tax was a fixed rate for all cars for ~100yrs up to ~10yrs ago, when there was a lower rate for small engines introduced. the tiered system based on emmissions/engine size came in ~5yrs ago.

[CAP1]

I agree with you there  with the trees .  CATS are good in some ways but they also do more damage health wise than older pre cats cars did.  Climate change is happening but  it's more of a problem with  manufacturing more than cars polluting. Thats why VED is not a CO2 tax . Amount of CO2 and engine size has always been how it was set , even before " climate change" came about.

 YES, climate change is indeed happening. it was happening long before man came into existence, and when the world goes "boom", and man no longer exists, it will continue to happen.

 i would say that the manufacture of the catalytic converters is more polluting, than what they do once installed in a car. i remember a day, that it was nearly impossible to stand near the back end of a car as it idled. yet today, that is no problem at all. the majority of what comes out of the tailpipe of todays cars, is co2, and water. there are still the "bad" gases, but they are nearly non-existent, compared to 30 years ago.