Light Tanks

[iron650]

I have never heard that claim, but it is false.

There is a trick to getting Tigers though. A T34/76's HVAP can kill a Tiger if you hit it right where you see a small slit and the turret is connected to the chassis. Not so sure about the M8's 37mm though. In real life an M8 defeated a Tiger by hitting the rear with 3 rounds and the Tiger lit in flames.

[E25280]

I have never heard that claim, but it is false.

I was never quite sure if it was true or not, but my point stands that if such real life weak spots were modeled, it would give an undergunned tank at least a modicum of a chance.

[SmokinLoon]

The problem that tanks have is that later tanks with thicker armor pretty much cannot be killed by earlier tanks with smaller caliber guns.  In aircraft, ever the two 7.7mm armed D3A can potentially kill an F4U-4, Tempest or Me262 as they have performance advantages, but are not invulnerable to its weapons.  A Tiger I is all but immune to a Cruiser Mk IV, no matter how badly the Tiger I player does and no matter how skilled the Cruiser Mk IV player is.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes.  There is more than 1 story of an M8 or 3 doing the happy dance to get a flank shot on a Tiger from 200 yards out.  The Tiger's Achilles heel is its painfully slow turret traverse rate.  The M8 would have a harder time vs the M4A3/75mm than a Tiger.

[Karnak]

There is a trick to getting Tigers though. A T34/76's HVAP can kill a Tiger if you hit it right where you see a small slit and the turret is connected to the chassis. Not so sure about the M8's 37mm though. In real life an M8 defeated a Tiger by hitting the rear with 3 rounds and the Tiger lit in flames.

The slit isn't there, nor is it needed to hit such a spot to kill a Tiger with a T-43/76' HVAP.

Only the Sith deal in absolutes.  There is more than 1 story of an M8 or 3 doing the happy dance to get a flank shot on a Tiger from 200 yards out.  The Tiger's Achilles heel is its painfully slow turret traverse rate.  The M8 would have a harder time vs the M4A3/75mm than a Tiger.

I've spent a fair amount of time pounding on a Tiger I with a T-34/76 (pre-HVAP) and M8.  Due to the Tiger's slow turret rotation you can do it almost indefinitely.  I have never had any effect on one.  I see no reason to expect a Cruiser Mk IV's 2lber to do anything to a T-34/76, and the T-34/76 does not have a slow turret for the Cruiser MK IV to play with.

[Skyguns MKII]

  introduction of lighter GVs will make Heavy gvs more feared as in real life

[DaHand]

I would like to see the introduction of smaller tanks, rather than more big ones. Also, I have a slight idea to make them not really hangar queens. Basically with the addition of smaller tanks, I'd like to see a revision of perk values on the larger vehicles like the T-34-75 and 85. Would make it so folks used the smaller ones more, and make the larger tanks seem even more of a threat.

For where?  The WWI arena?

It sort of doesn't make sense to work on tanks that nobody would use. 

[BaldEagl]

Light tanks like the Stuart were formidable against opponents like the Panzer IIF, IIIG, IIIH and even the IVE.  People so still use Panzers right?  Granted you're not likely to kill a Tiger but why not have a few perk farmers in the game?

By the logic that everything else is better we should get rid of the Jeep, M3, M16, M8, M475...  Sheesh, how about they unperk everything and limit the GV game to Tigers?

BTW I see people in flaks all the time.  They dont stand much of a chance against our weakest tanks.  I mean you do realize there's other vehicles in the game other than tanks right?

[iron650]

BaldEagl is right the Jeep, M3, M16, M8, M4 (75), does seem useless and its odd when you see a guy in a "surperior" vehicle like a Panther though you could kill it. It is odd when you see ackers shoot their guns even at the M8 and they still lose.

[badhorse]

+1  New stuff never hurts.

[PFactorDave]

Shouldn't the smaller guns of light tanks be capable of tracking a Tiger?

Just wondering

[iron650]

Shouldn't the smaller guns of light tanks be capable of tracking a Tiger?

Just wondering

They could track a Tiger, but not sure if the Tiger could always track them. Also, tackling a Tiger with light tanks would be hard unless they someone disables and then everyone moves away/around the Tiger guy gets bored waits for supplies or ends sortie.

[stabbyy]

sounds good

just to put this out there it takes aprox. 10 shots from the m3's 75mm from the rear of a tiger to kill it(at point blank using ap in game)

takes about 8-12 shots to kill a panzer with an m8(shooting the turret at about 100 yards with ap in game)

only advantages these tanks had over the other ones were speed and fire rate in both cases they were out gunned/out armored

lighter tank would imply faster more manuverable tanks(at leaste id hope otherwise this is pointless)just about anything can track a gv 7.7mms even all comes down to amount/range so i do kind of see a use for them if they are faster they could easyily get around a tiger or a firefly if an m3 can do it... a much smaller tank stands a better chance then it if not the same chance... u could at leaste hunt flaks kill troops and m3s and panzers(from the side)

[iron650]

M8s are very strong just used in the wrong way. The M8 is a powerful enemy if speed is used against it. You can easily make a "ground BnZ" against in average tank or even run circles around a tank to kill it. Yes, the light tanks are both outgunned and also weakly armored. They say that the M3 takes 1-2 rounds to the back of the turret and then 1-2 to the engine housing. Also, the flack hunting is very easy in a light tank due to the inability for an average tank to maneuver. Ackers often blow the tracks off a tank. Light tanks can sometimes be very useful when it comes to several topics.

[Pigslilspaz]

For where?  The WWI arena?

It sort of doesn't make sense to work on tanks that nobody would use. 

If that were the case, I'd have said WWI tanks, no light tanks. There (as far as I know) was only one class of tank there. Also, the whole conversation has been about WWII, please read the whole convo.

[Tyrannis]

The problem that tanks have is that later tanks with thicker armor pretty much cannot be killed by earlier tanks with smaller caliber guns.  In aircraft, ever the two 7.7mm armed D3A can potentially kill an F4U-4, Tempest or Me262 as they have performance advantages, but are not invulnerable to its weapons.  A Tiger I is all but immune to a Cruiser Mk IV, no matter how badly the Tiger I player does and no matter how skilled the Cruiser Mk IV player is.

what if you went for tread-shots? nocked out the tigers tracks, then simply camp nearby to score kills off any supply vehicle that comes to rescue him. eventually he'll rage-tower