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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2011, 05:42:58 PM »
you read too many bumper stickers...you're assuming they would not volunteer to return...as long as military personnel remain on active duty, they are subject to be returned to combat duty...that is what they signed on for and that is what they accept.

Bumper stickers? :headscratch: Anyway, yes, I understand that they could be sent back, and might wish to go back.  I'm just wondering if they would be sent back or are going back.

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »
got me penguin...i don't work in the pentagon.   :lol
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2011, 06:05:55 PM »
Oh well, I guess some things will remain a mystery. :noid

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2011, 06:12:56 PM »
The reader's digest version.  When you sign on the dotted line, raise your hand and take the oath your butt belongs to the military for the duration of your enlistment or until they let you go.  They tell you to go somewhere you go.
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2011, 06:28:12 PM »
I knew that already.  I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2011, 07:01:17 PM »
Those 2 fellows are what this country is all about.  Job well done, Marines!   :salute
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2011, 07:27:14 AM »
I knew that already.  I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.

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i know it's beyond your ability to fully comprehend at this point but...let's put your thinking cap on for a bit...consider that a man who survives a battle without cowardice is more valuable in combat than a man with no experience to fall back on when the bullets are flying. a man goes into battle, fights and survives...the next time he goes into battle his chances of survival are greater because he is less likely to make the mistakes that those with no experience would make...if he is a leader he is better prepared to keep his men alive than a leader with no combat experience.

get the idea?
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2011, 08:53:03 AM »
i know it's beyond your ability to fully comprehend at this point but...let's put your thinking cap on for a bit...consider that a man who survives a battle without cowardice is more valuable in combat than a man with no experience to fall back on when the bullets are flying. a man goes into battle, fights and survives...the next time he goes into battle his chances of survival are greater because he is less likely to make the mistakes that those with no experience would make...if he is a leader he is better prepared to keep his men alive than a leader with no combat experience.

get the idea?

My bad, I incorrectly conjugated my sentence, it ought to have read:

I know that already.  I had wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would have seemed like a waste.

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2011, 11:30:34 AM »
Penguin. troops in the military, all branches, belong to a unit of some kind. You are not an individual just bouncing around by yourself to be considered individually by the "machine". If their unit, when they are through with their current assignment, gets shipped back to the war zone, they will go with it. What their commanders decide to do with his troops determines what they will be doing. Unless they leave the service they are still subject to perform  all missions their unit is assigned.
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2011, 11:35:35 AM »
Penguin. troops in the military, all branches, belong to a unit of some kind. You are not an individual just bouncing around by yourself to be considered individually by the "machine". If their unit, when they are through with their current assignment, gets shipped back to the war zone, they will go with it. What their commanders decide to do with his troops determines what they will be doing. Unless they leave the service they are still subject to perform  all missions their unit is assigned.

Ok, I think I get it now.  (Sarcasm switch is the in OFF position; I know next to nothing about the military):

These two fight off a whole bunch of insurgents
They get their medals, and then get sent back to fight off more insurgents with their buddies

Now, there seems to be something odd here.  The article said that they became instructors, so does that mean that they were reassigned to a new unit, or did their entire unit become instructors?

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2011, 11:47:57 AM »
Ok, I think I get it now.  (Sarcasm switch is the in OFF position; I know next to nothing about the military):

These two fight off a whole bunch of insurgents
They get their medals, and then get sent back to fight off more insurgents with their buddies

Now, there seems to be something odd here.  The article said that they became instructors, so does that mean that they were reassigned to a new unit, or did their entire unit become instructors?

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2011, 12:12:44 PM »
How can you expect me to know this?

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2011, 03:21:14 PM »
How can you expect me to know this?

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you have to learn it...without your philosophical glasses on.  :rolleyes:

they were given orders for reassignment as instructors...it's a different m.o.s. (job assignment) out of the units they were in...they could be assigned to other units at any time where their m.o.s. and rank are required. if their m.o.s. was radar techs, then they would get assigned to units needing replacement radar techs. since they are grunts (basic infantry) they could get assigned to other grunt units that are in need of someone with their ranks or they could get assigned to recruiting duty, or embassy duty, or wherever it is that the marine corps decides they are needed. if the marine corps wants them to do something, that's what they do until such time as they are no longer in the marine corps.

get the idea yet? it's not a question of what you think is right or wrong or should be done, it's what the military determines is in the best interest of the military.
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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2011, 03:34:08 PM »
you have to learn it...without your philosophical glasses on.  :rolleyes:

they were given orders for reassignment as instructors...it's a different m.o.s. (job assignment) out of the units they were in...they could be assigned to other units at any time where their m.o.s. and rank are required. if their m.o.s. was radar techs, then they would get assigned to units needing replacement radar techs. since they are grunts (basic infantry) they could get assigned to other grunt units that are in need of someone with their ranks or they could get assigned to recruiting duty, or embassy duty, or wherever it is that the marine corps decides they are needed. if the marine corps wants them to do something, that's what they do until such time as they are no longer in the marine corps.

get the idea yet? it's not a question of what you think is right or wrong or should be done, it's what the military determines is in the best interest of the military.

Ok.  One last question:

Who is "you"?

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Re: two Marine immigrants awarded Navy Cross
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2011, 03:38:33 PM »
Ok.  One last question:

Who is "you"?

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I knew that already.  I wanted to know what the military was going to do with them, as sending them back to the meat grinder would seem like a waste.

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