Extrem low pass!

[F22RaptorDude]

You weren't at last nights meeting

I'm not following    

If the plane was trimmed for 400mph, and the engine lost power, then the plane would take a nose down attitude to maintain 400.........

Simple stuff right there, i've taken a few classes on Aerodynamic properties before. And I can be a nerd sometime so I read about stuff like this alot.

Refer to my previous post, if you will.

Your the real Idiot if you can't figure out the simples. When it comes to flying these high tech birds are fairly simple (In my mind at least and don't bring up mechanics or engines or doo dads i'm talking about how they fly) and not to mention Tupac flies his own plane so he would know more than most of us. What goes in a Cessna can also go in a multi million dollar fighter jet, equipment used to fly is sort of the same in regards to what they do.

I think considering our combined experience with flying high-tech multi million dollar military aircraft, that this is a pointless argument.

Your argument is pointless as you know nothing of which your talking about as you probably don't fly actual planes or study them.

[oakranger]

You know that there will be other pilots that will be stupid enough to try to top what that guy did. There will be somebody that will always push it to far.

[F22RaptorDude]

You know that there will be other pilots that will be stupid enough to try to top what that guy did. There will be somebody that will always push it to far.

My parents told me a story about that.

When Jack oscar came out they were the only ones who did reckless things. Then years later everyone is doing it and dying over it.

[Tupac]

Refer to my previous post, if you will.

It doesnt matter. The basics are the same. The plane would have flown itself into the ground before he knew what happened. There is usually a 2-3 second WTF factor before you can figure out exactly what happened, and at that altitude you dont have 2-3 seconds.

[MaSonZ]

It doesnt matter. The basics are the same. The plane would have flown itself into the ground before he knew what happened. There is usually a 2-3 second WTF factor before you can figure out exactly what happened, and at that altitude you dont have 2-3 seconds.

if his nose dips and he felt something on the plane it sure as hell aint gonna take him 2-3 seconds to react. would he have time to react? doubtful, but it qwouldnt be 2-3 seconds for reaction...

take for example your doning something youve been doing your whole life. assuming your in your 30's or 40's and you started at say 10, thats 20 years. your gonna know if something is wrong when you hear / do / see it. not gonna take you long to diagnose and repaiur the problem, is it?

I'm not saying this pilot has been flying for 20 years, he could be fresh out of the Academy, but I'm pretty sure he knows how the plane is supposed to fly, and he trusts himself behind the controls enough to do that.

assuming you watched the cock pit view, he didnt fly FOR the crowd, he flew NEXT to the crowd. as he got close, people scurried away. I know those engines are taking in a lot more air then a human weighs, but the odds of a human being sucked into an intake 10 feet off when the jet is in range for maybe at tops .5 seconds to suck em in, not likely its gonna happen.

im not saying what he did was ok, or right, but the main thing is no one got hurt, the crowd of people got their adrenalin rush, and at the end of the day they could all go home and kiss their wives and kids one more time.

[Rino]

     The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet,  a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.

     The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience.  The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa

[oakranger]

    The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet,  a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.

     The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience.  The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa

Is that the same jet that was in one of the James Bond movies?

[fbEagle]

You been reading the FAR way too much  Smiley

God i hate the FAR about as much as i hate the AIM they both make for extremely boring reading.

I'd like to see what eagl thinks about this

Your not talking about ME eagle right??

[Tupac]

    The Pampas is basically an Argentinian Alpha Jet,  a little slower with Garrets instead of the SNECMA engines but
it does have two of them and i think we can safely assume that any pilot feeling or hearing something happen at that
speed and that alt is going for grabitude as quickly as possible.

     The assumption that fighter pilots have more experience than other pilots doesn't fly in my experience.  The US
probably spends more money in this area than just about anyone and they have been cutting flying time for years.
Or if not cutting it, spending it on other areas of operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_63_Pampa

Rino it says it only has 1 engine. It has 2 intakes, but only 1 engine.

[eagl]

Low passes like this are just stupid, and this one was particularly dangerous.  Not only are there literally thousands of things that could go wrong, some of those things HAVE gone wrong in the past leading to fairly horrible results.  The USAF is saddled with hundreds of "dumb" rules restricting flying activities that are the direct result of past pilots doing things that are so stupid that a rule had to be made prohibiting a repeat occurrence.  This guy came within a couple of feet of killing about a dozen people.  If one person hadn't ducked at the right time, it would have been the end.

The list of pilots who augered while doing unauthorized low altitude aerobatics over their house or neighborhood is much longer than you'd think... 

On the vid you can see one spectator had to run to the right instead of to the left with everyone else.  That was pretty close to being a disaster.  I recall a recent video where a light aircraft pilot hit someone in the head with the wing during an airshow stunt, and that was at maybe 50 kts.  This video is probably the closest thing to a mishap as you'll ever see.

[Tigger29]

If it's a privately owned plane and everyone was expecting what happened then I have no problems with it.

If it's a military plane (which it obviously is) I agree.  I think the pilot should be court marshaled.  You don't take unnecessary chances like that with multi-million dollar pieces of equipment.  This was nothing more than showing off and playing around, REGARDLESS of the skill level of the pilot.  I don't know about that country but here in the US they have organized events for the aircraft to be shown off in a much safer, organized environment of an air show.  Period.

No matter how impressive that video footage is... there's no excuse for it.  Period.

[grizz441]

You think he would be under radar there in AH?

[flight17]

If it's a privately owned plane and everyone was expecting what happened then I have no problems with it.

If it's a military plane (which it obviously is) I agree.  I think the pilot should be court marshaled.  You don't take unnecessary chances like that with multi-million dollar pieces of equipment.  This was nothing more than showing off and playing around, REGARDLESS of the skill level of the pilot.  I don't know about that country but here in the US they have organized events for the aircraft to be shown off in a much safer, organized environment of an air show.  Period.

No matter how impressive that video footage is... there's no excuse for it.  Period.

what makes you think they werent expecting it even with it being military? they had a camera ready for it, so obviously they knew it was going to happen.

We did something sort of like this with our C-123K. Only for a photoshoot for a movie or something along those lines. We got a lot closer than we planned on. Thats a distance of a bout only 2-3ft if that. Also it went right over the car, its not an allusion.

[Rino]

Is that the same jet that was in one of the James Bond movies?

     Nope, that was a BD-5 jet..much smaller.

[Rino]

Rino it says it only has 1 engine. It has 2 intakes, but only 1 engine.

     Oops, my bad..the original Dornier Alpha jet has 2 engines.  I just naturally assumed they would replace
them with 2.  Nice catch