JU-87 upgrade recomendations

[SEViper]

 

As I'm sure all German iron pilots can attest, the ju-87 g series transformed tank war forever.

I would love to see the ju-87 g-2 with the 37mm gun pods come to Ah.

I would also like the horns of Jericho added to the dive brakes.

Salute,
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[Ack-Ack]

As I'm sure all German iron pilots can attest, the ju-87 g series transformed tank war forever.

I would love to see the ju-87 g-2 with the 37mm gun pods come to Ah.

You'd be better off asking for the G-1 model as it would only entail adding the 37mm cannon ordnance option instead of having to create a new model for the G-2.

I would also like the horns of Jericho added to the dive brakes.

Not going to happen unless we get an earlier version of the Stuka.  From the D-3 onwards, the Stuka wasn't produced with the sirens since the sirens no longer had the psychological impact it once had. 

there is a custom sound pack though that replaces one of the sounds with the sirens.

ack-ack

[Krusty]

It was removed after the invasion of the lowlands and France, even on Ju-87B models. It's almost nonexistent in any photo I've ever seen.

It was used only to terrorize unsuspecting civilians and its use was one of the many instances of human rights violations in the war crimes trials after the war.


EDIT: Although I'd like to see the early B but with the R drop tanks enabled. Same plane, just longer range. It would fill 2 roles with 1 plane. Add a D and G or whatever else as well, but I like the squared off canopy. I think it's much more iconic for the Ju87.

[bustr]

Don't forget the D5 with the wing MG151/20's. I've flown against a few Ju87 Hero's who if they had those I would have been toast in my spit16. With the D5 you might see more use of the Ju87 in LWMA. Players would beleive they had a slightly better chance of surviving the piranha tank. Ooops....LWMA.

[Krusty]

The 20mm on a Stuka were so rare and only intended for ground strafing, but would be horribly abused in the MAs. I don't think they should be added.


With WGR21s, HTC said they COULD be ejected in real life but this was rare, and in-game it would happen every time, giving players an advantage they shouldn't. So we don't have them in-game. I think the same applies to 20mm on Ju87s. I'd rather keep them in their normal role, rather than give them a fake role they never held in real life (i.e. dog fighting spits and winning).


My $0.02

[SmokinLoon]

I'm all for adding more Ju87 variants, no doubt.  My queston is simple: have the people who really want the JU-87G-1 with the dual 30mm or 37mm AP guns flown the Hurricane IID with the dual 40mm cannons?  The Stuka tank hunter would fly more like the Il-2 (slow and lumbering), with far less ammo.  The Hurricane IID would be faster, climb better, and have very similar guns and ammo loadouts.

The Ju87G-1's only real blessing it that it can carry 2000 lbs (iirc) all the while having the guns too.

[bustr]

What else don't we abuse in the MA's.....real abuse would be adding the P80 or IL10......

It's not like it flys at Mach-1.2 and has antigrav plates to protect the pilot from 20G turns. What dosen't get abused in a game with no real rules or moderation other than against ah@cking or bad language? Shanes's ankle humpper, baby seal and coward diatribes on ch200? Whens the last time you read one of his ankle humpper rants on ch200 and it made you feel ashamed of having fun?

At some point the available spontainious fun factor versus the pain factor has to always tip in favor of spontaious fun if you want to keep the doors open while running a cartoon mad house. Last I remember we all suit up, put uniforms on our rides, say YES SIR, click our heels and recreate WW2 in FSO and the month long Frames. You make a premeditated choice to fly by RULES there. In the MA we adapt, overcome and do anything we can to have fun by whizzing down each others backs.

I simply have a lot of admiration for the few gents with the cahones to fly the Ju87 knowing most of the time it's a one way trip. How many xxxxx landed xx kills in a Ju87 message do you see in the MA??

[Krusty]

Loon: It may perform worse, but you're almost guaranteed a 1-hit kill with the guns. They were the best anti-tank guns on any plane in the war, if I recall.


Bustr your philosophizing is all well and good, but when you start seeing Ju87s ruling the skies and B17s dogfighting and IL2s flying in BS F3-only manuver methods constantly it harms the game and our perceptions of what we enjoy. Yes, you decide things, as you suggest. We decide them for a reason. If we want ackstars and Ju87s with instant snapshot capabilities we might as well be flying WOW or or LucasArts' X-Wing vs TIE Fighter.

We fly it because there is a WW2 theme going on here. You start seeing Mickey Mouse in full costume standing next to Hitler it might ruin things for you. Same goes for the roles certain planes play. Wouldn't want an A-20 model with cannons and modeled to out turn and out fight any other plane in the game, right?

[prowl3r]

+1 but with reservations. im kinda in the same camp as krusty, i dont want to see the stuka used in a way it never could be in r/l. but i would love to have the anti-tank capabilities the plane offers. there fore i propose that since the gun package was rare then a perk price is in order.

[Krusty]

Well there's the anti-tank guns, then there's the 20mm. The anti-tank ones are slower, heavier, bigger, and would be very little threat against other planes. It's the 20mm I would hesitate in regard to adding to AH. The 37mm anti-tank guns are totally separate from that.

 

[STEELE]

Well there's the anti-tank guns, then there's the 20mm. The anti-tank ones are slower, heavier, bigger, and would be very little threat against other planes. It's the 20mm I would hesitate in regard to adding to AH. The 37mm anti-tank guns are totally separate from that.

 

The updated Brewster is absolutely rediculous, and it would spank the 20mil equipped Ju87 soundly. So what's the big deal about adding them?   Also, Rudel got something like 13 air-to-air kills using 20mils, (OK , not sure how many were using the 20's, but some were for sure)
It would still be wayyy slower than an A20, with a little bit less hitting power against fighters.   +1 for them to be added 10 years ago 

[alpini13]

i like this idea.but when people like krusty start talking about advantages in real life and in the game i have to laugh and keep laughing. let me point out that the ta-152 .the p47n the wirlblwind and ostwind are all in the game and yet IN REAL LIFE these were made in such small numbers that they had no real impact on the war...however IN THE GAME THEY DO.  it is simply adsurd to think that a gv or plane should not be added because IN REAL LIFE it did or did not do something. it s a game....and i dont believe any units in REAL LIFE flew all nations aircraft or gv together on the same side at the same time as we do. they may have had some captured examples and ofcourse put them to use. but i have never read of an attack by lancasters,bf110,and nik's in the same mission,BY ANYBODY IN REAL LIFE,    LOL

[BaldEagl]

i like this idea.but when people like krusty start talking about advantages in real life and in the game i have to laugh and keep laughing. let me point out that the ta-152 .the p47n the wirlblwind and ostwind are all in the game and yet IN REAL LIFE these were made in such small numbers that they had no real impact on the war...however IN THE GAME THEY DO.  it is simply adsurd to think that a gv or plane should not be added because IN REAL LIFE it did or did not do something. it s a game....and i dont believe any units in REAL LIFE flew all nations aircraft or gv together on the same side at the same time as we do. they may have had some captured examples and ofcourse put them to use. but i have never read of an attack by lancasters,bf110,and nik's in the same mission,BY ANYBODY IN REAL LIFE,    LOL

 

It sounds more like Krusty's just afraid of going up against a Stuka.   

[Debrody]

This is written to the stuka:
DEFENSELESS TARGET, COME HO ME DOWN
Im sure the 20 or the 37mm gun option would change it    
+1 to the updated Sturzkampfflugzeug

[LThunderpocket]

wow this is funny.i was accualy going to ask for the same thing.but not the sirens because i already knew they wouldnt work