King Tiger????

[Karnak]

Don't think the T-34 has 170mm of armor after factoring the slope.  That seems a bit too much benefit from the slop as the armor was only, what, 45-60mm thick?

[Tank-Ace]

Sorry, 'it' was refering to the King Tiger, not the T-34. T-34 has somewhere around 100mm of armor (both models).

Anyway, we do need something with a bigger gun thats cheaply perked to counter the KT. Only 3 guns currently in the game would be capable of penetrating the glacis plate, and even then not much beyon 200yds if that. The King Tiger's gun would, on the other hand, have no trouble killing any tank in the game, regardless of hit location, out to about 1000yds or so, well beyond the range of retaliation from any other tanks.

[Big Rat]

I think a lot is going to depend on the KT's perk price.  My guess is it's going to be like a 262 for GV's and rightly so.  The 88mm L-71 is a monster of a gun, pretty much consider it a 75mm L-70 on steroids.  As far as impact on game, we'll have to wait and see.  I've got a feeling that egging them will be the most common way of their demise. 

 
BigRat

[SmokinLoon]

huge, but still comperable to the 88 we already have in game. IDK what it is, but russian cannons just weren't that good. I takes them an 85mm gun to match what the germans can do with a '75.

Even then, the German's 75mm was superior to the Soviet 85mm.  the larger diameter does not mean "better".  It simply means bigger diameter.  heck, compare the British 17 Pdr and the US M4/76mm to the Soviet 85mm, they too were superior in regards to armor penetration. 

[iron650]

Something big and Russian...  

The KV or IS? 

[Karnak]

My concern is this, the 88mm L71 will command large amounts of space given how open AH terrain usually is, making circling around to the flanks and rear of the Tiger II difficult to say the least.  I am not sure the three free tanks, Panzer IV H, T-34/76 and M4A3(75), will be able to defeat its armor from the front at any range, even with the decent 75mm on the Panzer IV H or the T-34/76's HVAP rounds.  That being the case, should a Tiger II be on the field against opponents who, for whatever reason, have no vehicle perks to buy, and likely lose, a lot of T-34/85s it may prove to be, effectively, an immovable object for those three free tanks.

Yes, there are still 1000lb bomb lugging aircraft to use on it, but it seems kind of a shame to, potentially, push people in a tank fight into aircraft to deal an opposing tank.

[321BAR]

Yes, there are still 1000lb bomb lugging aircraft to use on it, but it seems kind of a shame to, potentially, push people in a tank fight into aircraft to deal an opposing tank.

we used to do it for the tiger I way back when...

[Lusche]

My concern is this, the 88mm L71 will command large amounts of space given how open AH terrain usually is, making circling around to the flanks and rear of the Tiger II difficult to say the least.  I am not sure the three free tanks, Panzer IV H, T-34/76 and M4A3(75), will be able to defeat its armor from the front at any range, even with the decent 75mm on the Panzer IV H or the T-34/76's HVAP rounds.  That being the case, should a Tiger II be on the field against opponents who, for whatever reason, have no vehicle perks to buy, and likely lose, a lot of T-34/85s it may prove to be, effectively, an immovable object for those three free tanks.

This is actually what the GV situation was many years ago, with only Tiger, Panzer & T-34/76 (no HVAP) in the lineup, no B-25H and no 37mm Il-2. Back then the Tiger was truly king of the battlefield, and when ords were unavailable, the only thing to stop a Tiger was another Tiger (except for a very few players using the Hurri D).
And honestly, I don't remember it as being that bad for gameplay, as the combat performance of the Tiger was being offset by a bigger perk price than today and like a 262, the cry "TIGER!" was getting everybody's attention. (And players brought in ords from two sectors away to get that Tiger )

While not actually wishing for yet another ever-bigger late war ?ber monster, I wouldn't mind having another tank that could bring similar excitement back into the game. Though with the setup of the ground and air-to-ground warfare on the current maps, I'm afraid a King Tiger would be strictly used in a pure base sitting defensive role.

[321BAR]

This is actually what the GV situation was many years ago, with only Tiger, Panzer & T-34/76 (no HVAP) in the lineup, no B-25H and no 37mm Il-2. Back then the Tiger was truly king of the battlefield, and when ords were unavailable, the only thing to stop a Tiger was another Tiger (except for a very few players using the Hurri D).
And honestly, I don't remember it as being that bad for gameplay, as the combat performance of the Tiger was being offset by a bigger perk price than today and like a 262, the cry "TIGER!" was getting everybody's attention. (And players brought in ords from two sectors away to get that Tiger )

While not actually wishing for yet another ever-bigger late war ?ber monster, I wouldn't mind having another tank that could bring similar excitement back into the game. Though with the setup of the ground and air-to-ground warfare on the current maps, I'm afraid a King Tiger would be strictly used in a pure base sitting defensive role.

the 37mm IL2 was there but no where near as powerful as what we have now. they updated it to be stronger. And the T34/76 when it first came out for a week or two was more powerful than the panzers. Last time i saw tiger screamed on country was before the T34

[Karnak]

the 37mm IL2 was there but no where near as powerful as what we have now. they updated it to be stronger. And the T34/76 when it first came out for a week or two was more powerful than the panzers. Last time i saw tiger screamed on country was before the T34

The update that made it more powerful was the addition of the 37mm cannon option.  The AH1 Il-2 was limited to only the 23mm cannons.

[Lusche]

the 37mm IL2 was there but no where near as powerful as what we have now. they updated it to be stronger. And the T34/76 when it first came out for a week or two was more powerful than the panzers. Last time i saw tiger screamed on country was before the T34

See Karnak's comment about the 37mm in the Il-2, which was introduced long after AH went to version 2.0 (IIRC in 2007, will have to look ut up.) And concerning the T-34, that may have been a glitch between introduction and first update. When I joined AH in tour 70 (and for many tours after that), the T-34/76 had basically no chance to kill the Tiger from any angle. The only real dangers for the Tiger were a bomb or another Tiger

[Zoney]

It aint got no wings.


Nuff said.

[321BAR]

See Karnak's comment about the 37mm in the Il-2, which was introduced long after AH went to version 2.0 (IIRC in 2007, will have to look ut up.) And concerning the T-34, that may have been a glitch between introduction and first update. When I joined AH in tour 70 (and for many tours after that), the T-34/76 had basically no chance to kill the Tiger from any angle. The only real dangers for the Tiger were a bomb or another Tiger

seems i was mistaken

[Tank-Ace]

Then it sounds like the only option is to add the Nashorn, and disable ordnance at all bases within 2 sectors of a vehicle spawn  .

Ppl that hear about a GV fight, go bomb without any request for ordnance, and bomb the highest perked tank there just piss me off.

[Karnak]

Then it sounds like the only option is to add the Nashorn, and disable ordnance at all bases within 2 sectors of a vehicle spawn  .

Ppl that hear about a GV fight, go bomb without any request for ordnance, and bomb the highest perked tank there just piss me off.

Actually, I'd propose just unperking the T-34/85.  Seems a simpler solution, but maybe that is just me.